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sempervirens
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May 29, 2019 - 09:37am PT
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You are like a whinny little girl always crying foul to make your delusional material consciousness only arguments seem valid.
LOL ... your "I debunked this and that" arguments are another delusional experience manufactured in your defective material consciousness.
You are a mess as this stuff doesn't depend on you or your delusional academic only knowledge ......
Nonsense. I'm not crying foul. Not offended by your attempts to offend. I've directly addressed any comments made to me and shown how they are just obfuscations. I didn't say anything about my academic knowledge, that's just you making assumptions. You have nothing else.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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May 29, 2019 - 01:27pm PT
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"The difficulty lies not in the new ideas, but in escaping the old ones, which ramify...into every corner of our minds." - John Maynard Keynes
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 30, 2019 - 07:45am PT
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sempervirens: [you] use the ad hominem attacks.
Werner may be right: you bruise easily.
Ad hominems generally present a complaint based upon a opponent's role or an irrelevant attribute in an argument: e.g., gender, position, etc. Ignorance or stupidity--and their various forms--are not ad hominem criticisms. If a person has not performed a good reading, or has not seen a big picture, or does not have a capability (eg., mathematics), or has not understood a fine point, or misses an insight, or does not have access to experience or data, then all of these are valid and even logical criticisms that do not formally fall within the logical fallacy we generally refer to as an argumentum ad hominem.
One need not come up with an alternative theory to claim that another theory is faulty or incomplete. That *might* be an example of a false dichotomy or false choice.
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sempervirens
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May 30, 2019 - 08:07am PT
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Werner may be right: you bruise easily.
Ad hominems generally present a complaint based upon a opponent's role or an irrelevant attribute in an argument: e.g., gender, position, etc. Ignorance or stupidity--and their various forms--are not ad hominem criticisms. If a person has not performed a good reading, or has not seen a big picture, or does not have a capability (eg., mathematics), or has not understood a fine point, or misses an insight, or does not have access to experience or data, then all of these are valid and even logical criticisms that do not formally fall within the logical fallacy we generally refer to as an argumentum ad hominem.
One need not come up with an alternative theory to claim that another theory is faulty or incomplete. That *might* be an example of a false dichotomy or false choice.
Nope, I'm not bruised. Werner made that up and you repeat it 'cause you can't find fault in what I've actually said. I'm pointing out that you simply change the subject and make up things about me that don't refute what I've said in any way. Yet you conclude that I can't be correct. The ad hominems are the accusations of being dishonest, non-observant, and don't know what I'm talking about because …. what? I'm too sure of myself? It's ad hominem because it's about me not about the argument I made.
It's not a false dichotomy because I did not claim you must come up with an alternate explanation. A dichotomy would be when there are only two choices. A false dichotomy would be to say only 2 choices exist when there are actually other choices available. I have not said that. Instead I've said, if I'm wrong then say why. I gotta explain everything for you just to get you on the topic.
You're on the run and reaching for anything. Try to stick to what we are discussing.
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WBraun
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May 30, 2019 - 08:09am PT
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There's the story of the master who came thru a village and met a man who always was angry.
The man asked the master how he can control and stop his anger.
The master gave him instructions on how to do it.
The man said I will follow these instructions to the letter.
The master left the village and returned some two years later.
The angry man saw the master return and immediately told him how he is now cured of anger and invited the master to his home for dinner.
They were enjoying dinner with the master and the man's wife and kids when suddenly the master told the man's wife that her food sucks, lol.
Then he told the wife she sucks and looks st00pid, lol.
The master kept insulting the man and his family until the man lost it and became angry and screamed at the master and told the master he's a fake and many other obscenities and told the master to get the fuk outa my house, hahaha.
The master replied "I may or may not be what you say, BUT WHY ARE YOU ANGRY? LOL
The man made claims his anger is cured but as we see he failed.
Things are not always what they seem ......lol
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