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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 16, 2017 - 10:28am PT
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...is a dumba$$
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 16, 2017 - 10:29am PT
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And he just lost the vote of the hard right
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 16, 2017 - 11:06am PT
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He should resign.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 16, 2017 - 11:57am PT
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Very disappointing. It appears that he did commit this offense, for which he apologizes. One has to remember that he was a comedian, and some of that stuff is off-color. If he is really an abuser, there will be more accusations from others, that will be believable.
I'd suggest that this is his last term, at this point. He's too high profile, and now he's damaged. Or he might need to resign.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 16, 2017 - 12:01pm PT
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He, personally, has called for a Senate Ethics investigation into his activity
I don't have a moral opinion as to whether this is serious enough that he should resign the Senate because I have no doubt virtually every male congressman has done similar sometime throughout their life and is lucky no one took a picture
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Nov 16, 2017 - 12:15pm PT
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Sounds more like an awkward dope than a sexual predator.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Nov 16, 2017 - 12:16pm PT
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"Lucky No ONE took a pitcure" lol
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Nov 16, 2017 - 12:26pm PT
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What is "lol" about that image? And as for an awkward dope, when I read the story the woman told just now, it didn't seem the behavior of an awkward idiot to me. It seemed like the behavior of so many human male turds I have encountered over my years on earth. Yeah, where they come on to you and you're damned if you do(because then they tell their friends you're "easy") and damned if you don't(because then they make it a mission to turn the world against you).
Yeah, many a guy has done similar. Guess we've reached the tipping point, where it's no longer funny, accepted or expected, no longer acceptable, to treat women like sexual objects for a man's masturbatory fantasy. And yes, a whole passel of men who acted that way BITD whether it was decades ago, weeks ago or only days ago, are now standing in the shadow near the spotlight hoping to hell that light doesn't pass over them.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Nov 16, 2017 - 12:31pm PT
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I do not care if you do not think the photo is funny or not. I do.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 16, 2017 - 02:21pm PT
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Did he date any of Roy Moore's 14 year old "girlfriends"?
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I didn't think so.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 16, 2017 - 02:54pm PT
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I hope, for everyone's sake, that this doesn't grow into yet another scandal. But if it does I predict that we'll see Democrats engaging in every imaginable twist of logic to defend him. Time for some popcorn...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 16, 2017 - 03:04pm PT
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Franken doesn't get it.
Until today, he thought that idiotic photo was funny. There are people on Megan's List for doing exactly what Franken was photographed doing.
And whatever he did to that woman was serious enough that it has bugged her for over a decade, but it didn't even register on him. No big deal to Franken. He claims he didn't even remember.
Time to clean house ( and Senate )
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 16, 2017 - 03:47pm PT
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Was he banned from a mall like Roy Moore for being a serial stalker of 13 year olds?
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I didn't think so.
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her career:
"She writes that she has been on the covers of Playboy, Maxim and FHM."
Sen Franken:
"“I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 16, 2017 - 04:46pm PT
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And he just lost the vote of the hard right
Wrong. He just won the vote of the hard right.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 16, 2017 - 05:17pm PT
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I've been thinking about that picture. At first I saw it as kind of a joke. Bad taste and worse judgement, but a joke. But how would you feel if that was your daughter? Your sister, your wife? How do you think she feels about having her picture in that position all over the web for millions to see and chuckle at?
He's way out of line there. Whether his fingers are in contact with her or not, that's a really f'd up thing to do. He's taking advantage of her defenselessness, being asleep, to invade her personal space for his sick little prank.
Why is it relevant that she's been on the cover of Playboy etc.? She did those pictures voluntarily, of her own free will. Trying to portray her as more deserving of his abuse because she did those covers is a real stretch.
Of course he asked to be up before the ethics committee. It's called getting ahead of the ball, and I gotta hand it to him, it's a damned good play.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 16, 2017 - 05:37pm PT
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His *apology* said he thought it was funny and it wasn't a big deal.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 16, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
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When you make your living by selling your image as a sex object,
it isn't a shock when people see you as a sex object.
"Before the 2006 USO tour, Tweeden was scouted as a model while working at Hooters and went on to model for Hooters, Fredrick’s of Hollywood, and Playboy."
In 1992, while working as a hostess at a Hooters restaurant (she was in their 1994 calendar) in Colorado Springs, Colorado, she won first place in the Venus International Model Search. This break led to national exposure, including a regular role as a fitness model on the TV show Fitness Beach. Tweeden modeled for promotional work for Hooters, Venus International, Frederick's of Hollywood.[2]
Tweeden was a correspondent for Fox Sports Networks' The Best Damn Sports Show Period from 2001 to 2007. In 2008, Tweeden became the third hostess of the NBC late night television series Poker After Dark.[3] She has also appeared on the political discussion series Hannity, as a member of the "Great American Panel" and occasionally appeared on the panel of Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld.[4]
Tweeden was seen in pre- and post-game coverage of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim on Fox Sports West and is currently working on Fox Sports 1's UFC Tonight, with Kenny Florian and Ariel Helwani.[4]
She has made appearances as a commentator on such Fox News shows as Hannity and Red Eye. [5][6]
Tweeden is currently on the Los Angeles morning radio show McIntyre in the Morning on KABC / 790 AM from 5 - 10AM as the news anchor. She joined the show on February 7, 2017.
Appearances
In 1996, Tweeden appeared non-nude in a fitness model pictorial for Playboy magazine. Fifteen years later, at 38 years old, she appeared again in the December, 2011 issue of Playboy, this time posing in a nude pictorial. In 2002, she was a guest character in the motocross video game Freekstyle as a motocross rider. The March 2007 Issue of FHM (which was the final printed US issue) featured Tweeden as the cover girl.[7] As part of Hooters' 25th anniversary in 2008, she was named among "The Top Hooters Girls of all time".[8]
Tweeden has gone on sixteen tours with the USO including trips to the Balkans, Afghanistan, and Iraq.[9]
https://www.yahoo.com/news/leeann-tweeden-woman-accused-al-214933803.html
http://www.thesportsbank.net/news-and-current-events/l-a-angels-leeann-tweeden-photo-gallery/
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Leeann+Tweeden+playboy&FORM=VSRANF
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 16, 2017 - 06:26pm PT
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It's not Frankens fault- she was asking for it
Right?...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 16, 2017 - 06:45pm PT
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When you make your living by selling your image as a sex object,
it isn't a shock when people see you as a sex object.
By that logic, if a woman is raped it's her fault if she was wearing a short dress.
It's 2017 man, you've got some catching up to do.
On top of that, even if you see her as a sex object, is that an excuse to do what Franken did? Before you answer keep in mind that she was asleep. His "joke" tells us that he's comfortable with that, with her being unaware of him invading her personal space for his own amusement.
Regarding his apology. It's very well written. I'm a bit of a cynic, and I've never liked the guy even as a comic, so my opinion of it is probably biased. I think actions speak louder than words. If this business doesn't get worse, more women chiming in with evidence such as that photo, then his apology is likely to be genuine and put an end to it. If he issued that apology and more credible allegations come to light then he's toast.
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doc bs
Social climber
Northwest
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Nov 16, 2017 - 06:48pm PT
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The picture is sad.
Imagine you are the woman in the flack jacket, in a serious job, with real consequences, putting your life on the line, right alongside the men in the picture.
And some punk-a$$ comedian thinks it is funny...
I'm sure Al Franken didn't understand how personally offensive that joke was at the time (most men didn't) but I bet he understands it now...
Do you think Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Donald Trump will ever get it?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
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Or worse yet..what if that was your grandma in the flak jacket...I guess there's many different scenario what if's waiting in the band wagon...It looks like it was a joke with a bad punchline which sometimes happens when a comdian is performing...It's unfortuneate for Franken cause now the john bircher prudes want to castrate the guy...Al should have grabbed her crotch...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
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Franken's behavior is outrageous. He deserves all the fire he's taking. Why not the same for Trump and Moore?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
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What Franken did was stupid. Doesn't mean he needs to resign his office, as long as there's nothing else out there.
I'd say it's beyond simply stupid, but I'll admit to agreeing with you in principle :-)
Question, would you have done the same thing given the opportunity?
I didn't think so.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:06pm PT
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Any men here, when trying in the past, to get beyond first base have a girl slap yo hand away. I'm just glad I'm not running for office.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:17pm PT
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Wrong, I said nothing about her deserving to be assaulted. The photo may be poor lewd humor, but does not qualify as assault. "OK" means consent. But it's now blown far out of proportion compared to much more serious acts by Weinstein, Moore, Trump, Cosby, et al.
"He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth. I immediately pushed him away with both of my hands against his chest and told him if he ever did that to me again I wouldn’t be so nice about it the next time."
It doesn't sound like she was in fear of losing her job.
I am saying she was used to people seeing her as a sex object since that was her goal for 20 years of her life.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=leeann+tweeden+playboy&qpvt=Leeann+Tweeden+playboy&FORM=IGRE
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
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Out Of Bed
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:24pm PT
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HAVE NEVER HUNG WITH THE ACTOR TYPES?
THEY GET RANDY,( Draw rude pictures on you if you pass out,etc.)
BUT DO NOT GO LOOKING FOR CHILD BRIDESm at shopping malls and prayer meetings/ Christmas parties
< MARRY DECADES YOUNGER SPOUSEs > > >OR DO THEY
She released the picture,
it was a
MAKE THE TROOPS SMILE TOUR<
SHE WAS NOT A VICTIM,of more than a member of the cast brought along as...
She was a willing "HOT NUMBER" and paid to be EYE CANDY
HEAR SHE IS A REPULSIVCAN SHILL<
THAT HAS JUST PUSHED THE OF REVISIONIST HISTORY
I am saying she was used to people seeing her (and getting paid for it too{ to be clear- well paid}) as a sex object since that was her goal for 20 years of her life.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=leeann+tweeden+playboy&qpvt=Leeann+Tweeden+playboy&FORM=IGRE
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John M
climber
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:26pm PT
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How do you think she feels about having her picture in that position all over the web for millions to see and chuckle at?
She was the one who released the photo. I am not defending Al Franken, but the photo was private until she released it.
And now the photographer who was the tour photographer at the time, who took the picture, said she was faking it. She was not asleep and was in on the joke.
what is true?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:32pm PT
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Any men here, when trying in the past, to get beyond first base have a girl slap yo hand away.
In a word: no, but we digress tastelessly.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:32pm PT
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Wuz waitin for the photographer to weigh in.
Digress? Not really. Slap, reposition, suggest. Take yo pick.
It happens all the time
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 16, 2017 - 07:42pm PT
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Don't resign, Al. We need your strong progressive voice in the Senate.
Crankl00n has responded to this thread several times. Firmly defending Al Frankenl00n's durty hands and mind. He seems to be the only one defending this behavior.
Maybe this is how Tahoe trustfunder a-holes think?
This is the essence of the Crankl00n mentality. Total d#@&%ebaggery at the highest level
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 16, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
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Still not banned?
Of course not. Exposing azzholes is not a reason to be banned
You condone sexual assault on your terms. You f-ing CREEP!!
I have two life-long friends on patrol at Squaw who knows who the Crankl00n is. Pretty comical descriptions of the l00n.
Silver spoon permanently fixed into 'it's' backside begins the description.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Nov 16, 2017 - 08:07pm PT
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Derfukr you sound jealous,
I know that I am
I'd love to live near Tahoe, ski/climb @ Squaw, when the feeling takes me was always my favorite-
(after Alta with Gunks Legacy housing, so very well to do too)
but choose to raise my family where the other disgustingly wealthy live
The NYC Tri-state megalopolis,
cheers with the jucie of ginger & limes to you,
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 16, 2017 - 08:17pm PT
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Derfukr you sound jealous
Garblebase to the rescue lol.
What does it mean garble?...aka rainwoman
Will you post pictures of sh**t covered mossy rocks that you can't get it-UP-on?
You are literally the grit I scrape off my shoes before entering my beautiful home full of functioning human beings.
We like climbing stories, but LOVE laughing at your loozer crankl00n posts.
Carry on #2...don't forget to flush
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Nov 16, 2017 - 08:22pm PT
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Sure i'd be happy to . . . Tell me again what you know of me? I'm sitting very pretty, and stand to do just fine as I am a Corporation
Not to the rescue, just wondering what sort of cheeswhiz goes where you do.
I;m not forgiving bad behavior, but the women doth protest to much given all the facts available.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 16, 2017 - 09:21pm PT
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Can we get back to villainizing durty Al ...?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 16, 2017 - 09:46pm PT
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...I'm just glad I'm not running for office.
Me too.
Sorry but that was low hanging fruit.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 16, 2017 - 09:46pm PT
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the real story:
Girl graduates high school.
Moves to Hollywood and becomes top Hooter tease girl of all time.
Poses for numerous girly magazines.
Works as eye candy on Faux News.
We all know how sexist that place is. Yet she loved it there.
And where is all her dirt on the players at Faux News? strangely missing.
The only logical explanation for this fake victim is that Faux News is now paying her to distract attention from ROY MOORE and trumpitter.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Nov 16, 2017 - 09:46pm PT
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Franken should have not strayed from acceptable behavior at the time that photograph was taken. There are certain things you can do when people are asleep, and certain things that you can not do.
He should have simply used a SHARPIE to draw eyeballs on her eyelids, like a normal person would have.
But, seriously, WTF was he thinking? The internet was over 20 years old in 2006, and permanently archiving anything and everything. As a senator, he is a moving target at all times.
The only saving grace in this situation is the realization that for every Al Franken sexcapade, there have been dozens committed by right-wing, holier-than-thou idiots like Ailes, O'Reilly, Hastert, Moore, and Trump.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 16, 2017 - 09:53pm PT
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The picture is worth billions to Koch Inc. and friends...
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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Nov 16, 2017 - 10:42pm PT
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All of the news headlines say that he grouped her. But I'm not seeing where she said that or he admitted to that. I'm not referring to the kiss.
Honest question to expose any fake news. :)
The pic is not proof that he grouped her, even though what he did is inexcusable.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 17, 2017 - 05:36am PT
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Time for a congressional investigation...Maybe have the Cato Institute , the libertarian think tank , research the allegations...We need to get to the bottom of this right now...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 17, 2017 - 06:42am PT
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It is instructive how quick partisans are to forgive one of their own.
Nothing new, eh? Trump says nothing about Moore, but has already started tweeting about Franken. Republicans do it and they're despicable, Franken does it and he's an OK guy. Deficits are horrible, unless they transfer money to the billionaire class then deficits are good. "Etc, etc, wow."
Bread and circuses. Except they're starting to take away the bread now.
So it goes.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Nov 17, 2017 - 07:17am PT
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A couple clicks on the net show he apologized and she accepted. One would think that would be the end of it.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 17, 2017 - 07:18am PT
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There is an obvious solution to the pervasive problem. Women should be required to wear head-to-toe burqas so that men won't be tempted to commit heinous acts.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Nov 17, 2017 - 07:55am PT
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I wonder how many males, in this climate, would admit to saying, gesturing, or doing something with or to the other gender that they would regret today? I would.
I wonder how many females, in this climate, would admit to taking an active part in those behaviors by males?
My wife and I have had a couple long conversations about this, and we both feel that it’s a bit unfair (but ambiguously so) that we apply today’s political standards to yesterday’s events. We both see it something that could be taken a bit more lightly, less concretely, more emphatically, and more globally. We both feel it is wiser to be in the moment about such things, rather than having one foot in the present and the other foot in the past.
Sometimes there aren’t any solutions that makes everything alright.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 17, 2017 - 08:36am PT
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Franken is a comedian, that's what edgy comedians do.
Lenny Bruce would be run out of town nowadays.
If Franken resigns, how many others are in the queue?
Could their political voting be altered by their fear of being outed?
This goes back to the most compelling case against Bill Clinton: If he would lie to a grand jury, wouldn't he be susceptible to bribery?
How far back do we go? Moore's sins go back to the era of Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne.
How do we now reconcile the Lion of the Senate?
I don't think we'd better build anymore statues of people.
Better yet, limit the power of Washington DC.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 17, 2017 - 08:44am PT
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How ironic that many politicians supporting women's rights turn out to be misogynist pigs, while others supporting traditional marriage are found cavorting in gay closets.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 17, 2017 - 08:48am PT
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Liberalism truly is, a mental disorder
you, honey boo boo, do not have either the courage nor the depth of intellect to be a liberal
being a cowardly "conservative" is easy enough for you
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Nov 17, 2017 - 08:50am PT
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Liberalism truly is, a mental disorder The inability to detect sarcasm is an intellectual deficit not limited to party lines
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John M
climber
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Nov 17, 2017 - 09:00am PT
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Edit: it took me awhile to write my post. SLR posted while I was writing.
your bias is showing NWO2.. SLR's comment was a joke.. I thought it was funny. Ease up people. Crankster tends to rub me the wrong way with his over the top acceptance of all things Hillary, but he in my opinion is being reasonable about Franken. This incident is quite different, at least so far, from the Moore case, where multiple women have stepped forward. Also Franken has owned up, at least partially, and apologized. Whereas Moore has denied everything and is even demonizing the women.
Leeann Tweeden was on good morning America.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/al-franken-accuser-leeann-tweeden-says-she-stayed-122705277--abc-news-topstories.html
She sounds reasonable. Men have over the years behaved terribly towards women and objectifying them has become the norm. I have dated numerous women over the years who have taught me how I treated them like an object at times, and it took a lot of effort on my part to change that. And still today I make mistakes.
Thankfully times are changing. Women are learning how to have and hold power and men are learning compassion, decency, and how to treat women equally.
Is it perfect yet? Most certainly not. But I do see progress.
to be clear, I do not like what Franken did in the past. Or hopefully in the past. But I appreciate that he at least apologized and the apology was accepted. That is an important part of an apology. Whether the apology was genuine and he has changed remains to be seen. As we have seen from Kevin Spacey, not all apologies come across as genuine. Excuses can be made. And sometimes the action is fully criminal, which requires more then an apology. Such as Bill Cosby. And some actions happened too long ago so that the law can not put a person in jail to pay for their crimes. So other actions have be to taken. I believe Moore could not be held accountable by the law for his actions years ago, but he could be held accountable by keeping him from a position of power. With 5 women stepping forward, I tend to believe them. Its more difficult with only one accuser, to know the truth. And that is something else we have to deal with. As for Trump, I believe that he is a womanizer, and we will all pay for his being given power. At the same time, it has so pissed off women that they are now speaking up. So good has come from having put a womanizer into the most powerful position in the country. Its funny how that works. I would rather we didn't have to go through a Donald Trump in power to learn our lessons, but if thats what it takes, then so be it. At least women are now taking back their personal power.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 17, 2017 - 09:10am PT
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GUILTY! Throw the bum out for Boorish behavior.
Heidi & I have come to believe that politics & power makes men hornier than normal. And absolute-power makes men absolutely horny & horrible.
Here's another example of preaching one thing to gain & retain power, & practicing another thing.
11/16/17 NEWSWEEK
An Ohio Republican state legislator who consistently touts his faith and his anti-LGBT stances resigned this week after being caught having sex with a man in his office.
Representative Wes Goodman, who is married, was reportedly seen by someone who is not a staffer having sex with a man inside his Riffe Center office. The witness told Ohio House Chief of Staff Mike Dittoe of the situation early Tuesday afternoon, according to the Columbus Dispatch.
http://www.newsweek.com/republican-family-values-state-legislator-quits-sex-man-713821
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wheatBeer
Social climber
TheBronx
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Nov 17, 2017 - 09:30am PT
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Al Franken is an AWESOME senator.
Al is just messing around in the picture with a famous sex symbol and nude model. She sold sex for living. Franken did a candid picture and not even touching her.
Others like Trump, Weinstein, Moore, Cosby are true PREDATORS and Monsters.
""Al What Al Franken did was inappropriate. He has apologized, the apology was accepted, and he has called for an inquiry into his behavior. Doesn’t excuse the behavior, but contrast that to the deny & attack approach employed by Roy Moore and Trump for more severe allegations. They both attacked their accusers. Deplorable.
Don't resign, Al. We need your strong progressive voice in the Senate.""
Agreeed!!!
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 17, 2017 - 09:46am PT
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John M, I’m sure we both looked at the ‘16 presidential candidates and chose one after careful scrutiny of their qualifications. You picked Bernie, I picked Hillary. One reason was I wanted a Dem. woman in the Oval Office.
Last thing we need to do is fight that election again. The GOP has a civil war going, sure, but the Dem’s are maybe in worse shape. Biden? Bernie? We’re going to run and win with old, white guys? Maybe this growing awareness of sexual misconduct towards women will ignite a movement to put a woman like Elizabeth Warren in a position to win.
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John M
climber
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:03am PT
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John M, I’m sure we both looked at the ‘16 presidential candidates and chose one after careful scrutiny of their qualifications. You picked Bernie, I picked Hillary. One reason was I wanted a Dem. woman in the Oval Office.
I did not choose Bernie.. I tried to warn that Trump could beat Hillary. You denounced that and made fun of me. Many many times. Over and over and over, even before she was the elected candidate, you said she was a shoe in.. You helped push her into being the candidate by pushing others to agree with your assessment. She will beat Trump easily you said.
You failed to heed the warnings, and then you blamed me for her not getting elected even though I voted for her in California, where my vote didn't really matter. I never backed Bernie, though I thought he was at least more honest then Hillary.
Our system will never have a chance as long as people like you keep your head buried in the sand all the while thinking that you "know" more. This will happen again. Next election? maybe not. But it will happen again because you, and even Hillary, continually blame others rather then looking at yourself.
Last thing we need to do is fight that election again. T
Bullsh#t.. unless you want it to happen again. People do not like Hillary. Some of it because of false accusations against her, but much of it also because she just isn't a good leader. She is great behind the scenes, but poor as a main leader because she does not connect. Even Bill said this. But could you hear that? Nope.. you went "la la la, Hillary is great" all the way to defeat. And then you blamed me.
Sorry dude, but you can kiss my ass. You put up another Hillary and I will not vote and now I live in a state where my vote counts.
Deal with it.
I agree when Werner calls you and people like you Crankloons. You are one because you never hear what people are saying. Your filters are so dense you can't. And then you blame everyone else instead of looking in the mirror and asking yourself why you thought she was a shoe in and why you did not heed the warnings. And instead made fun of those who gave warnings.
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John M
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:18am PT
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you make fun of me over and over and over, and then when I turn out to be right you blame me.
And when DMT laughs at your foolishness, you call him a jerk.
you are seriously clueless.
Franked apologized and admitted to being wrong. Something you don't seem to understand. Instead you blame everyone but yourself. Now you blame DMT.. classic narcissist.
its narcissism that gave us a narcissist as our president.
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:27am PT
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Mormon missionary's do not wear blue shirts...or tan pants
Poorly executed meme..
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:29am PT
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Funny how the left embraces radical Islam
and who is it on the left that embraces ISIS, the Taliban, radical Islam?
name them and just a few of the many ways they do so
going to get that pesky GED this year?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:35am PT
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The Hillary fans also used the term 'Obama Boys' during the 2008 election.
They are quite fond of deriding their dem opponents with names. Much like Trump did to his repub opponents.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:36am PT
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Franken is 100% predator.
Look how many steps were involved in his sexual assault scheme.
Total predatory behavior/mindset.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:43am PT
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C’mon, Chaz, just cause he looks like a lamprey doesn’t make him a predator.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 17, 2017 - 03:21pm PT
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And I'll never forget how easy you took Trump's election. That's what chicken-hearted "non-partisan" enablers do. You’re probably still shook up over those e-mails that damn “witch” sent. Sexist much?
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ExfifteenExfifteen
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Nov 17, 2017 - 03:50pm PT
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And I'll never forget how easy you took Trump's election. That's what chicken-hearted "non-partisan" enablers do. You’re probably still shook up over those e-mails that damn “witch” sent. Sexist much?
I've wanted to call the milktoast lots of things over the years. Being a Chickenschit-hearted anything was never one of them...
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 17, 2017 - 04:58pm PT
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It's the, CRANK.
Also, probably lives with his welfare mom.
oh yes!
and also probably lives in a doublewide with a fat welfare mom
sucks off others, whines and pays no taxes, that all you got?
you are white trash, Crankster
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 17, 2017 - 05:07pm PT
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Dang, I coulda sworn I was skiing pow at Squaw today.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 17, 2017 - 06:18pm PT
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I love how those who never considered this an issue worthy of discussion previously, overlooked worse when voting for Trump and who have continued to defend him post-election are now shocked, shocked I tell you, that a single accuser has now stepped forward to accuse Franken, who of course should immediately resign. Odd, however, that I don't hear this same group of outraged folks calling for Trump's resignation, or for Roy Moore to withdraw from his race, etc., etc.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 17, 2017 - 06:34pm PT
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...that a single accuser has now stepped forward to accuse Franken, who of course should immediately resign.
A number of people here seem to agree that if nothing else surfaces, his very well written apology should put an end to it. Boorish stupid behavior on one occasion doesn't necessarily rise to the level of predatory behavior.
Personally I'd like to see this thing go away. Not out of love for Franken, I didn't think much of him as a comic, although getting elected Senator could be his best joke yet. I want it to go away because there's a pretty f'd up tax bill going through, and this is just one more distraction.
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 17, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
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Dang, I coulda sworn I was skiing pow at Squaw today.
Haha. Crankloon werking 4"(his dikk size) of Sierra wet shite.
A complete fabricated lie as usual.
He's been made to be the total fool on this site.
For good reason. He's a Complete TO0L!!!
Most likely he's lying..on a Hillary blow-up doll.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 17, 2017 - 07:42pm PT
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4 inches wide that is...
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 17, 2017 - 07:54pm PT
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Ouch!!
Sounds like RJ has intimate carnal knowledge of the c-L00N.
"Shocker" !!!
His Fave
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 17, 2017 - 08:07pm PT
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drFetish rises out of the sewer long enough to barf on the computer screen he stole from the kid he's just sodimized. Only unanswered question is how big are the cocks of the homeless dudes he chooses to golden shower with. Hep A gonna him
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Nov 17, 2017 - 08:37pm PT
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gotta give credit where credit is due...
this whole issue is one of the first, in recent memory, where the dem establishment is acting [and not just talking] categorically and unequivocally different than their republican colleagues.
not just in shade of compromised grey, but rather in wholesale color.
kudos to the lot of them for showing some principle in regards to the whole franken story.
nice to see they seem to be moving past the clintonian era... of apology/excuse/defense for the sexually exploitative.
and the republicans?
a bit of the opposite shock...
is there really no authoritarian depth that these fUckers [both voters and leadership] won't stoop too?
ie. in response to a photo that proves, at most, a crass joke, combined with a single uncorroborated accusation of manipulative/exploitative behaviour... the whole lot of em turns into fainting church goers?
why even el presidente is tweeting out to tens of thousands of retweets his feigned indignation over behaviour that is made to look pious by even the most sympathetic reading of all of the evidence and repeated/corroborated accusation that follows his slimy existence.
i try to keep an open mind, but this whole issue has been quite eye opening.
at least with regards to this issue, the current republicans are not looking to any kind of guiding principle or grand vision to guide their responses.
all they want is for daddy to make everything alright again.
"give us power or give us death", has become their new creed.
at least on this issue, too many of the current batch of republicans are intellectual and moral toddlers who point to the mud on someone else's knees while they sit in their own shIt filled diapers.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 17, 2017 - 08:46pm PT
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But some on this site support a guy who has been married three times, grabs women by their pussy, has had unaccounted affairs.
What Franken did was wrong, but for drumpf to call him out is the pot calling the kettle black.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 17, 2017 - 09:49pm PT
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Sarah UpChuckaBee drew a distinction between Trumps p-grabbing and Frankens kiss. Franken admitted he was wrong, Trump never admitted it. Trump wins. Is she f*#king kidding?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 17, 2017 - 10:03pm PT
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Sarah UpChuckaBee drew a distinction between Trumps p-grabbing and Frankens kiss. Franken admitted he was wrong, Trump never admitted it. Trump wins. Is she f*#king kidding?
Yeah, I caught that too.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 18, 2017 - 05:05am PT
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Let's talk about penises in the sky over the peaceful Okaynogan Valley, cuz I'm gettin' bored with y'all.
Wheel in the sky keeps on turnin'
I don't know where I'll be tomorrow
The whole squadron needs to be sacked along with Franken.
Meanwhile, IN WASHINGTON, presidential hypocrisy abounds on Twitter, making its own news story...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 18, 2017 - 07:36am PT
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Durph...I was skiing pow with crankster today..
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 18, 2017 - 07:45am PT
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Yeah Trump and his cheerleading Fox news groping prudes are outraged...Let's see those nudes of Melania a few more times..
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 18, 2017 - 07:58am PT
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yes, Melania fell deeply in love with Donald and so much wanted to be close to him forever
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 18, 2017 - 08:21am PT
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Let's see those nudes of Melania a few more times..
Especially the ones of her and her gf.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 18, 2017 - 05:09pm PT
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I'm interested to see how Saturday Night Live treats Franken tonight.
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Nov 18, 2017 - 05:35pm PT
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Durph...I was skiing pow with crankster today..
Dude...so sick. How was the wet shite? Was it as cold and clammy as Crankloons paw? You two make for a nice partnership.
You said you skied 'today' tho...in the morning before you supposedly actually went? I know!!! You were posting on Taco whilst skiing the wets. Surely you got pics?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 18, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
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Durph...calm down ...Sounds like your Hillary blow-up is over-inflated...?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 18, 2017 - 06:23pm PT
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Just trying to give durph some pointers to maximize his recreational pleasures...rj
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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2017 - 09:21am PT
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the latest ass-grabbing is weak AF
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Nov 20, 2017 - 09:40am PT
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Jody, that’s a pretty emotionally ignorant perspective.
What smells is that our society has failed to protect the sheep from the wolves for so long, and that stench festers underneath the veneer of an advanced egalitarian society.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Edit: I can’t logically deny that some people will take advantage of the social climate for nefarious reasons, and those stories should be investigated, but it is an important time for society to be healing and growing out of a long legacy of injustice, and that is more important than the collateral damage of people gaming the system. Imagine how many countless women who never come forward in our society, and it seems this sort of abuse is more the norm than the exception. It SHOULD have a deep rippling effect on our society, if we are actually ready to crawl a little further from the primordial ooze from whence we came.
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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2017 - 09:51am PT
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IMO Jody has a point here
If a senator's job is in jeopardy from an ass-grab no one saw in a photo booth at state fair from many years ago, then the witch hunt will expand as fast as the universe
and Tweeden... she shows her ta-tas for a living. She won contests at Hooters, did Playboy shoots, but Franken does an immature joke without touching her and the pitchforks are out?! pa-leeeze
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John M
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Nov 20, 2017 - 10:00am PT
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all it is are the chickens coming home to roost. Men are going to have to learn better behavior. I think its good that everything is coming out into the open. Women have been suppressed for a long time, so its not surprising that stuff from a long time ago is now surfacing, because women feel freer to speak up. Thank God for that. And thank all of the men and women who are willing to support them.
Now we will have to wade through what is true, what is false, what are suppressed memories but targeting the wrong person, ( memory transfer I believe its called, it happens)
Men abusing their power has been going on a long time and women finally feel powerful enough and safe enough to speak up. Thats a good thing.
Now we have to figure out what to do with the info.
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 11:42am PT
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Isn't it basically HIS fault to begin with???...
nope.. no sir eee.. not on your life.. absolutely NOT..
God gave us free will. We chose the route we have taken. Its why we can undo it and CHANGE.
And yes, I do understand that many Christian churches and other religions place the woman as subordinate. She is not. Religion is mans understanding of God. Some times, in fact many times man gets it wrong.
Its.. Father/Mother God, never one without the other. Hopefully some day humans will understand this.
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 12:07pm PT
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and He/She created gravity. Sucks when you deck, but what would climbing be without gravity..
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 02:10pm PT
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but you would still be stuck at 5.9
ba da boooom
;-)
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
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Jody, you could stand to give your bias a rest. the clintons aren't the only people who tried to keep women quiet. This has been going on for a long time. Moore threatened underage girls. Bill Oliely paid off multiple women and roger Ailes either paid them off or fired them and tried to wreck their careers. We live in a corrupt society. Bill Cosby paid off women and tried to wreck careers, or threatened to wreck them. the list goes on and on.
The good part is still that this stuff is being exposed. For those who believe in the Bible, that would be part of the outcome of the tribulation.
No matter whether locker believes in God or not. its still good that this stuff is being exposed.
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divad
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wmass
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Nov 20, 2017 - 03:12pm PT
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If this forum had a monitor, Jody would be given a standing eight count, at some point, in every political thread...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 20, 2017 - 03:13pm PT
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Another Franken victim, and Franken demonstrates once again how he just doesn't get it.
Franken assaulted his latest victim in a way that left her with trauma she has been living with for several years, and he says it's no big deal to him. Not even worth remembering.
Franken has to go.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 20, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
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Charlie Rose? say it ain't so.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 20, 2017 - 04:00pm PT
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Chaz, as soon as you demand Trump’s resignation for the same reason then we’ll all know you’re not spewing your typical, one sided neocon BS.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 20, 2017 - 04:24pm PT
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Chaz, as soon as you demand Trump’s resignation for the same reason then we’ll all know you’re not spewing your typical, one sided neocon BS.
Of course Trump needs to go. But that's off-topic on this thread. Check the thread title.
I sense a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome at work here.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 20, 2017 - 04:39pm PT
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that is odd, I never sensed any Obama Derangement Syndrome on supertopo all those eight years
but back to the subject -
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 05:37pm PT
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Did Trump grab Jody's pussy? Sam Moore didn't.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 20, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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Norton, Trump is a moron too for SAYING those things. Is not speech protected** though? No matter how stooped that speech might be?
Yes Jody, free speech is protected by our Constitution, well not all free speech
courts have been clear one some speech, like not yelling fire in a movie theatre, etc
so, no, Mr. Trump of course did not do anything illegal by expressing his opinion as to how he feels women should be treated
but the problem is not what Mr Trump said, it is what he did, sexually, groping
according to at last count at least six women, including one who is so mad she has managed to keep her assault case against the US President still going on in court, google it....
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 20, 2017 - 05:54pm PT
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That's fine, Norton. Trump's a scumbag. Republicans are scumbags. Everybody knows that, Norton.
But why are Democrats supporting a serial sexual predator in the form of Al Franken? Democrats are supposed to be more enlightened.
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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Nov 20, 2017 - 06:19pm PT
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But why are Democrats supporting a serial sexual predator in the form of Al Franken? He seems to have pretended to grope a Playboy Bunny while they were on a USO tour, while he was a comedian. Why do you support the institution of sexual prey?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 20, 2017 - 07:12pm PT
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But why are Democrats supporting a serial sexual predator in the form of Al Franken?
what Democrats are supporting a sexual predator Franken?
name them
if you are talking specifically about Democrats in the US Congress, well they are calling for a Congressional Ethics Investigation, how is that supporting Franken?
But why are Republicans continuing to support who they voted for, a serial sexual predator - the President, clearly stuff like morals, ethics, did not bother them Nov 8, last year
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 07:13pm PT
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The important serial predator is this guy.
Grabbing pussy and a thumb's up your cute-ass
Make Amerika Grabbers Again, bitch
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 07:18pm PT
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Coming outa the woodwork like a bunch of ugly little termites
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
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Good!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 20, 2017 - 07:52pm PT
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He seems to have pretended to grope a Playboy Bunny while they were on a USO tour, while he was a comedian. Why do you support the institution of sexual prey?
He wrote a comedy routine which involved him kissing her. Then, during the rehearsal he jammed his tongue into her mouth. That stinks of premeditation. If it wasn't, then he has a serious problem with impulse control around beautiful women.
And I'm amazed by all of the folks here who say she was a Playboy model, or a Victoria's Secret model, so what does she expect. That's pretty F'd up thinking.
I do see that there seems to be a feeding frenzy going on regarding sexual harassment. It's probably about time. I'm curious, how many posters here would jam their tongue in her mouth during rehearsal, or do the "mock fondle?" I can honestly say I've never done anything like that ever, except of course with a woman who was as into it as I was.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 20, 2017 - 08:09pm PT
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For the record, Rush Limbaugh is still a big fat jerk.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 20, 2017 - 08:16pm PT
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if you are talking specifically about Democrats in the US Congress, well they are calling for a Congressional Ethics Investigation, how is that supporting Franken?
To investigate what? We know what he did. HE ADMITTED IT.
Investigation, my ass!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 08:20pm PT
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We'll certainly HEF never paid for it in his life, nor did Thump (cheapskate).
Larry Flynt, who knows
The important serial predator, to those of us who were not actually molested, is Thump
He is the "fukkin" president after all
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Nov 20, 2017 - 09:12pm PT
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Trump, Franken and of course Moore should all resign / withdraw. Major federal office holders should be held to high moral and ethical standards. The levels to which we have stooped are appalling, between those three alone we have a pussy grabber, a tounge pusher and a child molester.
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
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To investigate what? We know what he did. HE ADMITTED IT.
I'm not sure why you are so on this one. You seem to think that because Dems are for women's rights, that means that they should be held to a higher standard. Is that accurate? Why haven't you gone after Trump or Moore to the extent you are going after Franken?
I don't want to excuse frankel's behavior, but what did he really admit to? Does it rise to a level where he should be censured by the senate? Thats what needs to be investigated.
He admitted only to posing for a picture where he appears to be grabbing the woman's breasts. While being in poor taste, it doesn't rise to abuse. He did not admit to touching the woman. He says he did not touch her, that he only posed so it looked like he was touching her. We don't usually convict people for gestures, though that woman who flipped off Trump was fired. But that was because she used the picture on her social media account. Which was not allowed by her contract with her employer.
With Franken, the event that he admitted to happened before he was in the senate. So I do not know what the senate could do about that, though they are saying that if Moore is elected, some in the senate are saying they will try to kick him out. So I do not know what their powers are.
But yes, because what he admitted to only rises to poor taste, and not abuse, then an investigation is needed for these other accusations. Specifically to this point, did he force his tongue on that woman he was kissing in practice for a skit? And grabbing that woman's rear. Did he do that? He has not admitted to these, so that is what needs to be investigated. They also have to decide what to do about them because I don't believe either of those actions could be prosecuted by law. But I am not certain on that one.
So they could censure him, but what else could they do?
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Nov 20, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
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I support a full investigation, and I'm glad Leeann Tweeden is willing to speak out for the record under oath before the Senate Ethics Committee. After-all, this is totally transparent, right?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 20, 2017 - 10:00pm PT
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He wrote a comedy routine which involved him kissing her. Then, during the rehearsal he jammed his tongue into her mouth. That stinks of premeditation. If it wasn't, then he has a serious problem with impulse control around beautiful women.
Interesting conjecture. If he has this impulse problem, then I would expect that he would have done this on multiple occasions, even often.
What proof have you of that?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 20, 2017 - 10:02pm PT
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Democrats support countries and people that want to live by Sharia Law, even in this country, culture that treats women even worse than worms.
You are confusing democrats with Republicans in regards to extreme conservative Muslim countries, like Saudi Arabia, well known for their kisses with Republican presidents.
Is this custom of males kissing on the lips a form of Christian Sharia law?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 20, 2017 - 10:04pm PT
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zBrown! Re your mention:
Nov 20, 2017 - 08:20pm PT
We'll certainly HEF never paid for it in his life, nor did Thump (cheapskate).
Not so! Our beloved President was willing to pay the "big-bucks" for famous pussy, per this report from an aging porn star:
Jessica Drake, 42, a porn star and sex educator, said in a statement released with a picture of her with Trump that during a golf tournament in Lake Tahoe “10 years ago”, the Republican presidential nominee “grabbed” her and two other unnamed women tightly and kissed them on the lips “without asking permission”.
He then offered Drake $10,000 and the use of his private plane, she said, if she would agree to come back to his room and accompany him to a party.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/22/trump-news-porn-star-jessica-drake-gloria-allred
That of course, was after Trump was married to his current porn-star wife.
What a role model, for the Republicans to worship!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 10:13pm PT
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I stand corrected Trump paying for it, sort of, Fritz
It would not surprise me that if money did change hands it came out of the foundation
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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Nov 21, 2017 - 07:44am PT
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The kissing incident sounds creepy. That said...
And I'm amazed by all of the folks here who say she was a Playboy model, or a Victoria's Secret model, so what does she expect. That's pretty F'd up thinking. Victoria's Secret is about appealing to women who want to be sex objects, like a man posing for "Muscle and Fitness." Playboy is about being a sex object, like a man being a Chippendales dancer. It's not prostitution, but it's sketchy territory, so sketchy behavior is hardly surprising.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Nov 21, 2017 - 08:42am PT
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...It's not prostitution, but it's sketchy territory, so sketchy behavior is hardly surprising.
Are you kidding?? So you'd be okay with behaving like that?
Interesting conjecture. If he has this impulse problem, then I would expect that he would have done this on multiple occasions, even often.
What proof have you of that?
You're saying he didn't do it because aside from a good ass grab he's not accused of more incidents?
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seano
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none
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Nov 21, 2017 - 08:59am PT
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Are you kidding?? So you'd be okay with behaving like that?
No and no, but I wouldn't be surprised. If I presented myself as a sex object for money (I'm not, believe me), I would expect, avoid, and dismiss some of that behavior.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 21, 2017 - 09:03am PT
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Democrats support countries and people that want to live by Sharia Law, even in this country, culture that treats women even worse than worms.
who are these Democrats who support people who want to live by Sharia law?
particularly in the United States?
name those Democrats along with your credible sources, how many of these Sharia law loving Dems are there anyway?
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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2017 - 10:44am PT
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Charlie Rose now???
wtf??
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 21, 2017 - 10:54am PT
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Charlie Rose now???
and Ron Jeremy, wtf?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 21, 2017 - 10:55am PT
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A big shot Democrat in the Cali legislature, Raul Bocanegra, today.
I’m feeling, like, inadequate for not having groped.
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Happiegrrrl2
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Nov 21, 2017 - 11:07am PT
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I'm not sure why people are surprised that these allegations are coming out in numbers. I'm actually surprised that it surprises people that these men would have behaved in these ways. Anyone who was on Facebook a few weeks ago when a vast percentage of women added something in the #metoo campaign surely could not have missed understanding that MOST WOMEN have been harassed and assaulted at some point(s) in their lives.
Really - is it surprising to you guys that these men behaved that way? Is there a man on this forum who HASN'T heard of a female highschool classmate of theirs getting gang-banged at a party BITD? HASN'T seen a buddy being overly aggressive to some woman at a bar or club, who they could tell had provided signals she was not interested in his advances and watch him ignore and continue, or being to verbally abuse the woman? HASN'T known at least one guy who has had his wife or girlfriend take out a restraining order against him?
Because it doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 21, 2017 - 11:10am PT
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Take a number!
U.S. Representative John Conyers on Tuesday acknowledged that there had been a harassment allegation against him but said he denied it and resolved the matter with a payment but no admission of guilt.
Conyers issued a statement after a BuzzFeed News report cited allegations from former staffers that he made sexual advances to female staff.
The Democratic congressman did not give details of any allegation but said he would fully cooperate in any House investigation.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Nov 21, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
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I always knew Charlie Rose was a weirdo.
"I always felt that I pursued shared feelings though I now realize that I was mistaken."
CBS had moved quickly Monday to suspend Rose, 75, after the Washington Post reported that day that eight women said they were subjected to inappropriate behavior while working with him. The story said Rose made unwanted sexual advances, appeared nude in their presence or groped them.
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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 21, 2017 - 01:01pm PT
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Happigrrrl2! Re your question:
Is there a man on this forum who HASN'T heard of a female highschool classmate of theirs getting gang-banged at a party BITD? HASN'T seen a buddy being overly aggressive to some woman at a bar or club, who they could tell had provided signals she was not interested in his advances and watch him ignore and continue, or being to verbally abuse the woman? HASN'T known at least one guy who has had his wife or girlfriend take out a restraining order against him?
Schist woman. You've been hanging with a bad crowd. I definately have no memory of classmates getting gangbanged & with some thinking on the subject I have no memory of the other events you ask about. I do remember kids in my college Frat bragging about scoring with a one-time date, but not about forcing them. Lots of break-ups by me & other friends, including my very-satisfying drunk shouting-match in a sports bar with a soon to be ex-girlfriend, but no restraining orders.
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dirtbag
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Nov 21, 2017 - 01:05pm PT
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I stated on page 1 that Franken should resign.
I still think that.
I welcome, in the interim, an ethics investigation by the senate. But why isn’t the senate also investigating the president? He bragged about grabbing women’s genitals and watching half naked teenagers.
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rottingjohnny
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Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 21, 2017 - 01:21pm PT
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It's mostly about the tax cut because the 1% ers truly care about middle class Americans...
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dirtbag
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Nov 21, 2017 - 01:21pm PT
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Resign why Trump remains in office calling his victims of sexual assault liars? Huh?
Yep. Democrats would be wise to keep their side of the street clean.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Nov 21, 2017 - 01:23pm PT
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The Republicans want to send a Pedophile to the Senate to cut Trump's and their Donor's taxes for them.
The Repubs are doing everything they can to get him out of the race so they can run a write-in candidate without splitting the vote. He's too far right, a renegade who will be a thorn in McConnell's side. In fact they've already said they'll find a way to expel him if he gets elected.
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John M
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Nov 21, 2017 - 01:34pm PT
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The Repubs are doing everything they can to get him out of the race so they can run a write-in candidate without splitting the vote.
This ignores one thing. It will be republicans who vote for him. Just as it was republicans who voted for Donald Trump.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 21, 2017 - 02:22pm PT
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then why not take the "I love the poorly educated" states out of the equation
like, um
Alabama, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Ohio, Georgia, Texas, Arizona, etc etc etc etc
not even a good try at False Equivalence
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dirtbag
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Nov 21, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
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ov 21, 2017 - 02:17pm PT
Take the communist state of CA out of the equation and 1 million MORE
Mathematical masturbation.
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Gene
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Nov 21, 2017 - 02:29pm PT
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To not be seen as hypocrites, to gain the higher ground, and just because it’s right, Franken must resign. You can be pretty damn sure Gov. Dayton will appoint a liberal Democrat to Franken’s seat.
As long as Franken is in the Senate, there will be no accountability – or progress – on the issue of sexual assault and harassment. It’s either wrong for everybody or nobody.
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John M
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Nov 21, 2017 - 02:31pm PT
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2.1 million Democrats voted for Trump.
9.4 million Independents(who usually vote Democratic) voted for Trump.
that doesn't refute that the majority of people who voted for donald trump are republicans.
Lets everybody clean house.
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John M
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Nov 21, 2017 - 02:41pm PT
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So then you agree that Trump should go.. since there have been multiple accusers of him. thats the standard you set for Bill.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Nov 21, 2017 - 03:25pm PT
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Is there a man on this forum who HASN'T heard of a female highschool classmate of theirs getting gang-banged at a party BITD? HASN'T seen a buddy being overly aggressive to some woman at a bar or club, who they could tell had provided signals she was not interested in his advances and watch him ignore and continue, or being to verbally abuse the woman? HASN'T known at least one guy who has had his wife or girlfriend take out a restraining order against him?
To the first one, nope.
To the second? Yes, but no buddy of mine.
To the third? My experience with restraining orders went the other way.
Regarding Al, That picture of the "mock fondle" is serving him well. It distracts most people from the really egregious act, the unexpected and unwanted French kiss. What did he think was going to happen? That she'd return the favor? He's lucky she didn't knee him in the balls.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Nov 21, 2017 - 03:46pm PT
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The word OK gives explicit consent.
"He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth. I immediately pushed him away with both of my hands against his chest and told him if he ever did that to me again I wouldn’t be so nice about it the next time."
It doesn't sound like she was in fear of losing her job.
Nor does she act like it in other videos such as one with Robin Williams at another USO show, where she gropes him, and he does not look happy about it.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 21, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
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Fact is, the guy in that photo is a creep. Most of us males have impulses to do that kind of thing, but only a creep does it. Females write the rules of engagement. Break them if you will, and laugh at the whole thing, but all you're setting yourself up for is a porn addiction since a creep couldn't get laid with a gold brick. And it's probably hard to love a creep
I have two daughters and if I saw some crank doing what Franken did in that pic I'd pitch him off the plane. Or try to. Not to say I'm any better than Frankin, but every dude has to learn how to curb the dog.
That's so basic it seems ludicrous to ever say it.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Nov 21, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
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The word OK gives explicit consent.
Do you think that when she said okay, she meant "okay you big hunk of man, step up and let me have it." I don't think so. Okay was certainly not explicit consent to have him kiss her aggressively and enter her mouth with his tongue.
Her job? You mean like she's getting paid? Most USO performers contribute their time, get transport, food money, etc. Their support staffs can be paid, but usually top performers who can afford to pay their staff.
Here's a clip of her "groping" Robin Williams, y'all make up yer own minds...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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rottingjohnny
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Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 21, 2017 - 05:31pm PT
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I'm anxious to see the videos of Putin pissing on Trumps bare back...How's Trump going to spin that one...?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 21, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
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The Repubs are doing everything they can to get him out of the race so they can run a write-in candidate without splitting the vote. He's too far right, a renegade who will be a thorn in McConnell's side. In fact they've already said they'll find a way to expel him if he gets elected.
Not so sure about that.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 21, 2017 - 05:52pm PT
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Take the communist state of CA out of the equation and 1 million MORE voted for Trump.
Why are you still living here?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 21, 2017 - 07:22pm PT
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That has wrong written all over it...32 year old dating a 14 year old...In California you'd do 3 years in prison for that maneuver but a red-state pastor sanctioned it so it's all peachy...
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Jon Beck
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Oceanside
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Nov 21, 2017 - 07:26pm PT
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Msnbc played that "purity" interview with that preacher. The interviewer then raise the point that Moore's wife was young and "pure" but also divorced
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 21, 2017 - 07:36pm PT
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As Trump so eloquently stated, it is better to elect an accused child molester than a democrat.
This is where the 'merica finds itself today. The lunatics are running the asylum.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 21, 2017 - 09:26pm PT
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treeze, what makes Frankin a creep is not the actual groping, but using a sleeping girl as a prop for a tasteless faux groping shot. If you feel this is kosher, and calling it out is "stupid," how might you describe an "intelligent" scenario.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Nov 21, 2017 - 11:10pm PT
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bfd, so he's a very minor creep.
She on the other hand is
a lifelong hustler
a faux news propagandist
a liar:
"“You forcibly kissed me without my consent, grabbed my breasts while I was sleeping"
Actually he did neither of those things. She consented to the kiss and then very soon repeated it on stage which was filmed. Obviously she was not traumatized.
And he only pretends to grope, almost touching her flak jacket.
So she is the liar.
Where are her missing stories of antics by the players at fox news?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 21, 2017 - 11:20pm PT
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trump says: "vote for Roy Moore"
aka
accused rapist tag teams pedophile
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 22, 2017 - 05:04am PT
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It's obvious that neither Treez or Splater have read Tweeden's account of the Franken USO trip.
There's more to it than a kiss and a photo.
Franken has to go. He doesn't get it.
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Happiegrrrl2
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Nov 22, 2017 - 05:18am PT
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While we all point our fingers - "There! LOOK!!!" we might forget to turn that finger to ourselves and review the way we behave. Most of us will (thankfully) never be exposed in a 15 minutes of fame news segment, but we DO have to live with ourselves - every second of every minute of every hour, each day.
How doe WE treat those around us, and how to WE respond when someone around us behaves in a way that is unacceptable? Nothing will change if we don't take the time during this small conflagration to review our own thoughts and actions.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 22, 2017 - 07:14am PT
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Franken has to go. He doesn't get it.
So does Moore.
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crankster
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No. Tahoe
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Nov 22, 2017 - 09:22am PT
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Why now? Because after the Weinstein story women have found the environment is safer for them to come forward.
These women are credible. They aren’t seeking fame or fortune. Look at his history...
A retired Alabama police officer said she and her colleagues were told decades ago to “make sure” Roy Moore “didn’t hang around” high school cheerleaders, and confirmed previous reports that the Republican Senate candidate was banned at the time from a local mall for predatory behavior toward teenage girls.
“The rumor mill was that he liked young girls, and ... we were advised that he was being suspended from the mall because he would hang around the young girls that worked in the stores and ... really got into a place of where they say he was harassing,” former Gadsden police officer Faye Gary said Tuesday.
“We were also told to watch him at the ball games, and make sure that ... he didn’t hang around the cheerleaders,” she said.
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John M
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Nov 22, 2017 - 09:24am PT
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The times are changing Jody. For years women were afraid to speak up.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Nov 22, 2017 - 09:42am PT
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He wasn't running for Senate until now
He has moral obligations as a Senator, and he failed the test.
There was an investigation after he won the primary, they listened to what the women had to say after they found them.
He is a despicable LIAR
The new term for this type of Christian is Slave Master Christian,
they use the Bible to support their despicable views, like rape, child molestation, owning slaves, beating and lynching slaves, keeping the others down
Roy Moore says he first noticed his wife when she was 15 or 16 years old
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/politics/roy-moore-kayla-kisor-15-years-old/index.html
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Craig Fry
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So Cal.
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Nov 22, 2017 - 09:47am PT
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When Has Trump Been Accused of Rape or Attempted Rape? Allegations Include a Child, His Wife and a Business Associate
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531
In 1994, Trump went to a party with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire who was a notorious registered sex offender, and raped a 13-year-old girl that night in what was a "savage sexual attack," according to a lawsuit filed in June 2016 by "Jane Doe." The account was corroborated by a witness in the suit, who claimed to have watched as the child performed various sexual acts on Trump and Epstein even after the two were advised she was a minor.
"Immediately following this rape Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed," Jane Doe wrote in the lawsuit, filed in New York.
The lawsuit was dropped in November 2016, just four days before the election, with Jane Doe's attorneys citing "numerous threats" against her.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 22, 2017 - 10:14am PT
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Franken has to go. He doesn't get it.
So does Moore.
The US President has a long history of sexually harassing and groping women
and not getting it
fortunately at least of the many women has managed to sue him in Federal court and just beat Trump's lawyers trying to get it dismissed, the case will continue
and the son of a b!tch Groper in Chief may well have to be disposed under oath
why did you vote for him again?
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Lituya
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WA
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Nov 22, 2017 - 10:15am PT
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Wow, liberals sure have come a long way these past few, errr, months. Indeed, they have somehow crossed a metaphoric ocean since the days they were happily savaging Bill Clinton's accusers and taking political action to protect America's supreme creep. "Moveon.org," anyone?
Re Roy Moore, well, here is a quote worth considering?
"The current media environment is bringing a much-needed focus to the important issue of preventing harassment in workplaces across the country. However, equally important to keep in mind in this particular moment is the principle of due process and that those accused of wrongdoing are presumed innocent unless and until an investigation establishes otherwise. In our country, we strive to honor this fundamental principle that all are entitled to due process."
Oops, sorry, that was liberal Democrat John Conyers's statement yesterday. Re himself, of course. As you were.
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Craig Fry
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So Cal.
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Nov 22, 2017 - 10:17am PT
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Frankin should NOT STEP Down
He hasn't committed any crimes.
The women have accepted his apology
He should run next time and if his constituents have a problem they should just not vote for him.
All comics have a huge bag of past baggage, they voted for him knowing that at the beginning.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Nov 22, 2017 - 10:41am PT
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Minnesota voters are fluky. Minneapolis and St. Paul elected Franken. the rest of the state will lean right if they vote at all. This will likely get them out.
Remeber, this is the state that elected Jesse Ventura governor.
From the New York Times Magazine one year ago...
"Ventura’s victory is the most obvious precedent for Trump’s, though the parallels are imperfect. Ventura’s was an oddly nonideological revolution: He had campaigned on a kind of empty-calorie populism, more affect than idea, and according to the exit polls, he drew almost equally from self-identified Democrats and Republicans (roughly a third of each, plus half of self-identified independents). He won voters of every income level except above $100,000 a year. He won by a wide margin the support of voters who felt their financial situation was going to get worse, but also the largest share of voters who thought their prospects were improving. It was a confounding election.
Minnesota was by most measures a prosperous, well-employed, tranquil place, as it usually is. And yet a plurality of its voters were willing to hand the state over to a wild-card political novice who had few clear plans for what to do with it."
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 22, 2017 - 11:40am PT
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born, raised and lived in Minnesota for 42 years
I can tell you from living through Jessie Ventura's campaign and term as governor
that an odd but important part of his election had to do with his saying that he would do away with the annual Snowmobile tax along with him having the name recognition of being a pro wrestler that got couch potatoes to the polls to vote for him
his victory was shocking, really shocking, from a state that traditionally has taken politics seriously and proudly, from Hubert Humphrey to Walter Mondale, mostly solidly a Democratic state
Jessie Ventura as governor acted pretty much as expected - he was a boob, a guy who knew nothing at all about how state government works, he needed a strong staff to keep a leash on his often embarrassing public speaking -
he was elected because a certain segment of the population, much like nowadays who voted for Donald Trump, simply did not care that he was grossly intellectually unqualified to be governor, did not care how he embarrassed the state, and voted for him largely because they felt he was gonna "shake things up"
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Lituya
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WA
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Nov 22, 2017 - 11:56am PT
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Frankin should NOT STEP Down
He hasn't committed any crimes.
The women have accepted his apology
He should run next time and if his constituents have a problem they should just not vote for him.
All comics have a huge bag of past baggage, they voted for him knowing that at the beginning.
Ummmm, wow?
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 22, 2017 - 12:26pm PT
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Ummmm, wow?
so, um why a "wow"?
not a wow for those who voted for Trump and those who will now vote for Roy Moore
both of whom have a long history of sexual abuse accusations from multiple women
but then, both Trump and Moore have been vetted for decades, the voting public has been long aware of their issues with women and chose to ignore them in voting
so why is it a "wow" when it is suggested that voters would make those same decisions in choosing to vote for Al Franken?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 22, 2017 - 01:07pm PT
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Frankin did a tastless, senseless stunt, but this IS America and having come clean, we are obliged to give him a second chance because people have recovered from worse actions. One of the things that get lost here is perspective and scale. That is, the need to consider anything in its proper size. A hang nail is not an atomic bomb. And all infractions against another gender are not equal, as is the case with anything in the real world. Those who insist in all-or-nothing thinking are caught in a thought distortion. Contrary to the pledges of zealots, bad taste does not feed "rape culture," any more than weed leads to heroine.
Right sized. That's the operate word.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Nov 22, 2017 - 01:35pm PT
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How about the bestiality projection that Cosmic suffers.
These right wingers are obsessed with projecting their perversions onto others
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 22, 2017 - 02:32pm PT
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sorry but, anyone who voted for Trump to be the President of the Untied States...
has zero claim to morality, has zero credibility to now judging others
Donald Trump was THE most vetted, most well known for decades, Presidential candidate
everyone who paid any attention during the campaign, who heard the tape, threw morality, threw judgement, out the window when they still voted for him, period
like Minnesota voting for a fuking wrestler for governor, so did you vote for Trump
you own every single daily embarrassment, every cringe on the world stage
every childish, kindergarten tweet
you would not vote for a Democrat for nothing, leave the Clintons out of this
you had a choice, you could have chosen not to vote, but you voted for Trump, deal with it
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John M
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Nov 22, 2017 - 02:34pm PT
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The clintons are certainly part of the problem. But the problem is multitudes bigger then they are. It spans centuries, if not thousands of years. It takes a lot more then a few trainings starting in the 80s to create the groundswell that is happening now. It takes generations growing up with a new mindset. And men are still very powerful and able to squash a lot of opposition. Just look at how long Bill Cosby shut women up. We have made gains, but there is more to do.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 22, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
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Christina Wilkie
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@christinawilkie
*As a journalist, this is borderline offensive
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8:06AM: White House makes pool reporter issue a correction to say "The president will NOT have a low-key day and has a full schedule of meetings and phone calls."
9::26AM: *The president goes golfing
7:47 AM - Nov 22, 2017
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 22, 2017 - 02:39pm PT
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Fresh off his endorsement of a child molester, Trump flees to Mar-a-Lago
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Lituya
Mountain climber
WA
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Nov 22, 2017 - 02:39pm PT
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Ummmm, wow?
so, um why a "wow"?
not a wow for those who voted for Trump and those who will now vote for Roy Moore
both of whom have a long history of sexual abuse accusations from multiple women
but then, both Trump and Moore have been vetted for decades, the voting public has been long aware of their issues with women and chose to ignore them in voting
so why is it a "wow" when it is suggested that voters would make those same decisions in choosing to vote for Al Franken?
Stand-alone, Mr. Fry’s is a position most women I know might take issue with. Especially his so what “he apologized” nonsense. Hard to see past the libbubble, I get it. Especially from CA.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
WA
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Nov 22, 2017 - 02:51pm PT
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and conservatives are surprised that they have lost all leadership in regard to morality...
Funny guy. I’m sure Planned Parenthood agrees.
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WBraun
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Nov 22, 2017 - 02:53pm PT
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sorry but, anyone who voted for Trump to be the President of the Untied States...
has zero claim to morality, has zero credibility to now judging others
Now that kind of horsesh!t is always to be expected from, a drug-addled brainwashed politard.
He even called the United States untied states, lol
What an idiot
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okie
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Nov 22, 2017 - 03:31pm PT
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Untied States is an apt description, actually. I saw the photo. Context is everything. Maybe he really has a fetish for flak vests?
Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you.
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10b4me
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Retired
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Nov 22, 2017 - 04:14pm PT
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If victim suppression is the reason as some of you are saying, then Bill Clinton and the BEU headed by Hillary are a large part of the blame.
Of course
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 22, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
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Xcon, in your quote, note the word "bullies," which underscores a born sociopath. Mix in a side order of aggression and you have a born abuser. It's a different issue when someone does something tasteless. It is not axiomatic they will become sociopathic or rapists. One doesn't follow the other.
While there is a tendency to seek a one-size fits all descriptor and analytic to cram all people into, it is not objectively true because like all human behaviors, behavior exists on a continuum.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 22, 2017 - 06:27pm PT
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Jody said
Dumbest thing ever said here, and that includes things I've said
well no, Jody, actually just one of dumbest "lies" you have told was this one
Democrats support countries and people that want to live by Sharia Law, even in this country, culture that treats women even worse than worms.
I will repeat my earlier question in case you did not see it...
identify those Democrats who support countries and people who want to live by Sharia Law, name them Jody, are they US congressmen or are they someone you met at a meeting of the American Freedom Party?
identify those Democrats who support Sharia Law "even in this country"
identify those Democrats who support treating women "worse than worms"
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 22, 2017 - 08:25pm PT
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Dude, not Sharia, Sharona. The Knack was from SantaMonica and a_political.
The Ramones on the other hand were gritty Christy liberal democrats.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 22, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
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Dudette, you are the one making a claim, it's up to you to support it.
The Ramones are for the most part dead so they are not going to do it for you.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 22, 2017 - 09:00pm PT
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Defending Ray Moore is a sketchy practice, given the preponderance of evidence. Proven, no, but to categorically doubt and attempt to discredit ALL claims might leave you looking like a Cosby supporter.
Might be interesting to see how many of those backing Moore have leanings to the right, are fundamental types or claim to be, and look at Moore as a defender of those values and beliefs. A man who will stand his ground for what is "right." This starts sounding like an idealized man, which in geographic terms is know as "utopia," defined by Borges as, "there is no such place."
At some time some sober folk will have to look objectively at the evidence and try and sort it out. Till then, people's biases and projections are screaming out loud.
I hope this is not another Lance Armstrong debacle, made downright evil (if Moore is guilty as charged) because he's hauled God into it.
The world's a stage ...
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 22, 2017 - 09:33pm PT
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Norton, Democrats everywhere have been falling all over themselves kissing up to Muslim countries.
Like trump kissing up to the Saudis?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 22, 2017 - 09:49pm PT
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Judy
I am not a liberal
And you made the claim
Support it if you can
As far asRay andRoy Moore go, I guess it really doesn't matter,since they've prospectively forgiven themselves by claiming to have accepted Je_sus
I'm waiting for Roy to start blaming Ray and vice versa
Sure hope neither of them molested the other's 13 year old daughter
Will they be forgiven an infinite number of times? Somebody needs to tell Franken about this wayoutofhis dilemma-
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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 22, 2017 - 10:35pm PT
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Also, every time a state legislature votes to ban the consideration of Sharia Law in it's courts the Democrats always vote against the ban because they seem to want Sharia law considered.
So you feel STRONGLY against religious laws and customs. We get that.
Do you oppose Christian Sharia that mandates fish on friday?
Do you oppose Jewish Sharia that mandates Saturday as the sabbath?
So you support making it illegal for Catholics to have Mass?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 22, 2017 - 10:39pm PT
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Dudette, you are the one making a claim, it's up to you to support it.
Jody, you have the weird habit of coming on here, then making a wild assertion, then challenging people to post evidence that you are wrong.
Nice High School debate tactic
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
When are you going to become a man?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 23, 2017 - 04:38am PT
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GOOGLE NEWS, Thanksgiving A.M. Edition
Two more women say Franken touched them inappropriately, HuffPost reports.
KSTP/SurveyUSA: Franken Job Approval Plummets, Many Say He Should Resign.
Bill Cosby claims Franken tried to grope him at White House function.
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Jon Beck
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Oceanside
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Nov 23, 2017 - 08:10am PT
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No way Franken should resign, we need his vote to cancel out the pedophile the Republicans are about to elect.
In my opinion common decency left the room when the Merrick nomination was blocked. The right wanted to be obstructionist, then the Dems can show them how it is done. Bring it on.
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zBrown
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Nov 23, 2017 - 08:42am PT
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Obvious solution is for Frankeen to accept Je_sus, resign from the Senate and run against Moore in Alabama.
Kinda levels the playing field.
He should hire Joe Namath for his running mate.
They don't have those in Senate races? Wanna bet? Who do you think Ted Cruz sleeps with?
Ted Cruz is gay and sleeps with El Chapo. Prove it ain't so.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 23, 2017 - 08:46am PT
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Thoughts and prayers
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 23, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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In my opinion common decency left the room when the Merrick nomination was blocked. The right wanted to be obstructionist, then the Dems can show them how it is done. Bring it on.
Did the four women he groped vote against Merrck Garland?
Jody: most of those anti sharia measures are nothing more than bullsht demagoguery, using fear of Muslims to score political points. There’s no serious threat of sharia in the US. I’d vote against them too.
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WBraun
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Nov 23, 2017 - 09:22am PT
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There’s no serious threat of sharia in the US.
Oooohhh such bullsh!t.
America has its very own versions of such .... masqueraded as democrazy.
America has gone down the hole of oppressive draconian over-rule of its citizens in the name of national security and so-called protection of so-called freedoms...
There are astronomical amount freedoms that have been usurped and more and more to be done.
Americans are st00pid ....
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dirtbag
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Nov 23, 2017 - 09:24am PT
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Oh ok, Moonbeam.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 23, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:18pm PT
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Braun use to be smart but morphed into the Jim Jones of supertopo trying to con his followers to drink the poisonous kool aid and become stoopid like him...
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crankster
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No. Tahoe
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:35pm PT
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DMT, I don’t debate cowards who never take a stand, never take a side. You’re one of the head whiners and complainers here. Uggh.
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Happiegrrrl2
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:38pm PT
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DMT - Do you know ANY man who would admit they have been pervy to women? Even when they are ARRESTED, they still deny. Ask the men here of Supertopo to come clean about harrassing, inappropriate sexual advances they have made to women over the years. You think there are none on this forum who haven't done things like that? I know better.
As well - I don't know a single person who has said Franken should get a pass. But for the record - I don't give him a pass. He's a creepster. Just like the dozens of creepsters I have personally come across in my own days on this earth.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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Dems can not afford to lose the seat, just the the Repubs and Moore. What DMT really wants is his own third party perv to root for.
The future of the country weighs in the balance, no time to wax eloquently about hypothetical ethics and morals.
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ExfifteenExfifteen
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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No way Franken should resign, we need his vote to cancel out the pedophile the Republicans are about to elect.
damnitalltoheck... Stupid is as stupid does.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
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Y’all seem more shook up over Franken’s couple of alleged butt grabs than Trump’s numerous alleged sexual assaults. Weird. Why’d ya roll over? I guess that’s what “non-partisans” do. Go along. Sadly, it appears that not apologizing pays off better than repeatedly apologizing.
Non-partisan = "I don't have a team. That way I get to complain and blame no matter what happens!"
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Happiegrrrl2
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Nov 27, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
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Hmmm, probably. I cant seem to find the thread where guys here are admitting they have done things like brush against a woman's backside at a part and then smirk at her when she turns, had sex with a woman who has passed out after they plied her with more alcohol than she would usually had had or worse, put drugs in her drink, or even called some woman a bitch because instead of smiling meekly when he said "nice tits" as she walked past, she pretended she didn't hear the comment. Maybe someone will be man enough to come clean and start it.
Do you know ANY women who would admit they have been pervy to men? You know what? When we women get together, we do sometimes talk about the guys we have come across who we thought were hot, or maybe we even hooked up with them. We can be pretty graphic. But out of all the stories I have heard, I can't recall even one instance where one of these women did something like cornering a guy at a party and even though he was clearly not into her, rubbed her hand on his crotch. Or cat-called a guy walking down the street with lewd words as she slowly drove the car alongside him.
Does it happen? I am sure it does. But not on an almost daily basis. I could easily make a list of more than one hundred memories of some guy going creepster on me. Varying from commanding me to "smile!" to putting licentious notes in my handbag at school, to grabbing my breasts as I walked home from work, to unzipping their pants and pulling it out and stroking it on the subway, to following me into a bathroom in my office building and pushing me up against a wall. On and on, though the instances became uch less frequent after I turned about forty.
I'm not unusual, being a woman that has untold number of sexual aggression directed my way. Many women have similar experiences.
Can YOU make a list of more than a hundred times some woman has transgressed against you, personally? Any other man here?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 27, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
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Is it really an apology, when in the same breath the perv says he remembers the incident differently than the victim is claiming?
Listen to Franken. He's in full-weasel mode.
He claims to remember things different than Tweeden says, but when specifically asked - both today and Sunday - what that difference is, he evades the question without ever answering.
Franken is not coming clean. His *apology* is just more spin.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 27, 2017 - 06:57pm PT
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Frankengrope didn't know he was going to be a Senator back then ...I'm sure if women had come out in force back then and raised a stink about groping this wouldn't be an issue...I've been groped by the opposite sex before...Probably because i hadn't showered in 3 weeks and the groping was pretty disgusting,,,In fact it was by a repulsive lady that posts here , a serial groper...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 27, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
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Wheaties or Cheerios?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 27, 2017 - 07:16pm PT
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Where is the all-purpose sex perversion thread, I can't seem to find it anywhere.
British actress Kadian Noble filed a civil suit on Monday in New York alleging that Harvey Weinstein forced her into sexual acts while abroad in 2014. Even more damning: The suit, obtained by USA TODAY, claims The Weinstein Company violated federal sex trafficking law "by benefiting from, and knowingly facilitating" Weinstein's foreign business travels in which he would "recruit or entice female actors into forced or coerced sexual encounters on the promise of roles in films or entertainment projects."
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 27, 2017 - 08:41pm PT
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Non-partisan = I reject the corruption and cronyism of the 2 party plutocracy. That way I can live with a clean conscience no matter what happens!
A little research will reveal that of the 535 members of Congress, the folks that run the country we live in, there are but 2 Independent's and they caucus with the Democrat's. So there are effectively zero (that's none, nobody, zilcho) non-partisan members in office. + the Doofus in Chief & VP, Republicans. So basically, you're talking about a system that doesn't exist. I prefer to deal with the system that exists in reality.
You might be right about it being corrupt, however. But it's the system we have.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 27, 2017 - 09:29pm PT
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not we the people. Who elected them then?
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 28, 2017 - 01:09am PT
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T Hocking Wrote:
That's my point, the system that exists in reality is a plutocracy.
The politicians and media on both sides are owned by their corporate and special interest overlords, not we the people.
Crankster replied:
Who elected them then?
I recommend watching this talk by Lawrence Lessig to provide you with part of the answer to your question:
https://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim#t-304865
From his talk:
*132 Americans donated 60% of the money to Super Pacs in 2012.
*The funders determine the candidates we ultimately vote for.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 28, 2017 - 06:40am PT
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Indeed, Jebus. Well said.
The "throw them all out" mentality is seriously flawed, lazy thinking. Exactly who are you going to replace "them" with? Where's your model citizen? Sure there's no skeletons (or roving hands) in their past?
Go ahead and wish for your fantasy government. Maybe Santa has it in his bag.
As for Franken, that's up to the people of Minnesota to decide.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 28, 2017 - 06:47am PT
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Clinton was censored ( impeached ) for lying about Lewwinksky and Paula Jones...Trump has 16 women who have come forward claiming he molested them..Trump bullied and intimidated them by threatening to sue... Are the sanctamonious republicans going to prosecute Trump or leave him in office to bring their party down..?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 28, 2017 - 08:06am PT
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The guy pressing women into corners and grabbing their pussy and the pederast undressing and molesting 14-year olds are guilty of violations many orders of magnitude greater.
Ummm, haven't seen that allegation. Wrong word?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Nov 28, 2017 - 10:50am PT
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Maybe. What's your point?
My point is that women deal with sexually aggressive advance, assaults and intimidation and abuse on a level that most man never, thank their lucky stars, and to listen to guys who HAVE and have other guys say "See we men have it rough too" makes me irate.
YEAH, the boy who had creepster Uncle Creepo "take him under his wing" knows damned well what it's like. But a guy who had a group of drunk girls call out "Nice pecs!" and then turn red in embarrassment and hide their faces, not so much.
Real time, right now: I came into a coffee shop to do some online work. The best table with an outlet near it happened to be next to one in which a young attractive woman was being interviewed by a reporter, and a photographer with pro gear. I knew I would be invading their space, but I figured it was some small town "Entrpreneur of the Month" piece or something.
No....not quite.
For the last hour I have been overhearing fragments of the conversation between a reporter and a woman who was one of the lucky ones. A woman who has been sexually trafficked, gotten out and actually been able to resume a life which she finds worth living.
I listened as she described how the man who held her approached, befriended, "courted" and brought her under his control, how he kept her "his" through mind control and emotional abuse, how he sold her, over and over, and how she escaped, and how he stalked her for months afterward, and how he is stopped now only by the walls of a jail he's currently incarcerated in.
She talked about how CHILDREN are being purchased on trafficking routes, by pimps and by the men who look for sex with teens, preadolescents, toddlers, even infants. And while there has always been a "trade" for young boys, it is getting much more prevelant. Vulnerable boys are definitely at risk, but the number of girls targeted is still much more the majority.
F*#K this bullshit of trying to minimize what women deal with at the hands of predators, whether they be creepy comedians using their antics for laughs or evil criminals making money off the bodies of others or even the f*#king president of this country who is still "innocent until proven guilty." Only a complete IDIOT would look at the numerous images of him with his daughter and his comments over the years to not know EXACTLY what he is.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 28, 2017 - 12:39pm PT
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"*132 Americans donated 60% of the money to Super Pacs in 2012.
*The funders determine the candidates we ultimately vote for. "
And which party is consistently against any limits on campaign funding?
Which party wants corporate yes-men installed on the Supreme Court?
Which party loves the citizens united decision?
Which party does the most gerrymandering?
Which party tries to prevent people from voting?
Which party is about to give a $1.5 trillion dollar gift to the billionaires?
Which party calls it tax reform when private jets and luxury sports boxes are 100% deductible?
Which party installs corporate shills to top government positions?
Which party hates the EPA?
Which party hates all consumer protection?
Which party is attempting to stop net-neutrality?
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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 12:54pm PT
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which party grabs Pocahontas?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 28, 2017 - 12:57pm PT
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Which party rubber stamps for approval to the Federal Courts a 38 year old who has never tried even one case and has a unanimous no vote from the American Bar Association?
Which party voted against the Lilly Fair Pay Act guaranteeing women equal pay for equal work?
Which party rubber stamps grossly unqualified Ben Carson to be the head of HUD?
Which party rubber stamps Perry to be head of the Dept of Energy?
because both of the above were the only two Republican Primary debate candidates who did not attack Donald, their reward is cabinet level positions
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 28, 2017 - 03:19pm PT
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Couldn't find the All Purpose Sex Perv thread, couldn't find the Trump Perv Thread or the Moore Perv thread, though I think there was a Cosby thread.
How high is the standard, Javier?
About 8 foot high and risin'.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 29, 2017 - 06:03am PT
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I see you are up early, too, Tad. Just posted over on the Fight Club thread.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:22am PT
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Franken's butt grab has the none-of-the-above crowd way more shook up than anything Trump is doing to destroy our democracy. Man, they fell in line easy after the election. No resistance from them boys.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 29, 2017 - 08:55am PT
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just more blind speculation I wasn't referring to you.
Agreed, the secret sexual harassment payouts in congress is a scandal. We need it to stop and we need an accounting of what happened.
I remember the days when bipartisanship wasn't considered tyranny. The far-right who control the GOP did away with that, with the help of Fox, talk radio, Breitbart. et al. Obama reached out and was torched. So here we are. Trump governs by Twitter to his base, each one seemingly more degrading than the last.
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Jon Beck
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Oceanside
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Nov 29, 2017 - 09:20am PT
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Politics has everything to do with this thread. The Franken outrage is political. It is a fact that Republicans invented the smear campaign. When it comes back to bite them they are oblivious to the hypocrisy, and scream for unity, what a joke.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 29, 2017 - 09:31am PT
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DMT, take a basic civics class at an adult center. Your ignorance on the basics of government is embarrassing. You keep blabbing about some non-existent non-partisan government. Come back to earth, dude.
Also, work on your reading comprehension skills. I’ve said the Franken matter is up to the voters who elected him to decide. I don’t live in Minnesota.
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c wilmot
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Nov 29, 2017 - 09:48am PT
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Garrison Keller is the latest perv to get the ax...up next- Bill Maher
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John M
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Nov 29, 2017 - 09:55am PT
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There is a difference between partisan politics when it comes to ideas and partisan politics when it defends bad behavior on one side while attacking it on the other. I believe that what DMT is trying to get at is having a level of moral code that applies to everyone. Lying is lying no matter who does it. Cheating is cheating.. Abuse of others is abuse of others no matter the party. Franken behaved slimy. we shouldn't tolerate it. If you want to say that you have no more to say about franken because you can't vote for him, then you should probably shut up about moore. Or any of the other slim balls who represent states that you don't live in. Otherwise you are stooping to a level of partisanship that I want no part of. I want the people who represent me to have a high moral center based on decency and respect for others. I don't expect perfection. But I do expect a level of decency that recognizes when one has done wrong and doesn't blame others. He/She did it first doesn't work for me. I have no respect for that. So if someone wants to stand for certain ideas and be partisan about that, then that is fine with me. But behavior is a different thing. You better be willing to look at the log in your own eye before you start complaining about the spec in someone else's eye. Again, this does not mean being perfect. But it does mean a desire to be better and a willingness to do something about it, including change.
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dirtbag
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Nov 29, 2017 - 10:09am PT
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Garrison Keller is the latest perv to get the ax
Whoa—another surprise. I never cared much for his show—it always struck me as cultural appropriation of rural culture by Urbanites.
I guess he shouldn’t have published a Washington Post column about Franken yesterday.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 29, 2017 - 10:34am PT
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shut up about moore.
Here's the problem. You're lumping everyone into the same boat, as if what Moore is accused of (and denied, calling his accusers liars) with what Franken is accused of are the same. They are not by a large margin.
For the 10th time, Franken is not getting a pass. He's under investigation and may very well have to resign.
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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2017 - 10:58am PT
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a prairie home groping companion
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 29, 2017 - 02:01pm PT
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Tweeden was on the radio this week saying that she feels that Franken is calling her a liar, when he says he remembers the events different than she does.
Abusers are like that. They don't stop.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 29, 2017 - 02:13pm PT
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Let’s impeach the orange groper who now can’t even recognize the sound of his own voice talking about his sexual assaults on women. Let’s crucify the Alabamian pederast. No? Then maybe some others need to shut up about Franken until they can muster the appropriate backbone.
all well and fine and I agree with Jeebus above
but what I cannot accept is the voters who put Donald Trump in the WH
and they did it fully knowing that 16 women accused him of flat wrong sexual behavior
the same voters knew that Donald's wife, Ivanka, sued him for marital rape
the voters knew he lied and screwed young people at his Trump University
same voters knew how he used his "charity" to buy 10K picture of himself to put up at his golf course
same voters knew he was sued twice by the Federal government for refusing to rent to blacks
his own Secretary of State has called him a "fuking moron", another cabinet member says his has the brain of a "kindergartener"
don't blame Donald Trump for this awful and embarrassing Presidency, blame those who voted for him
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 29, 2017 - 02:24pm PT
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If you're in the GOP, you just deny everything as a liberal conspiracy and take no responsibility for anything, ever. That is the moral compass they stear by, and it seems to work for their base.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 29, 2017 - 02:39pm PT
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Mr Bomz writes:
Oust him, but for chrissakes, rain down some terror on your own guys.
Who are my own guys? Please advise.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Nov 29, 2017 - 02:48pm PT
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John M: But I do expect a level of decency that recognizes when one has done wrong and doesn't blame others.
We are all human. With that comes the good and the bad. We expect or require only the good.
Jebus: Then maybe some others need to shut up about Franken until they can muster the appropriate backbone.
This suggests a sliding scale. Maybe it would be best to let go of the scale.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Nov 29, 2017 - 03:20pm PT
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Jebus:
How about if we recognize that legal systems come and go, and are entirely nationalistic (read, "biased").
I would argue that it would be better if we were to say "how it seems to us" rather than presenting findings as concrete. It might seem to some that one's own system of norms and behaviors are right or appropriate for all the world, but we should give that some thought.
How do we come together as different groups and nationalities?
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blahblah
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Boulder
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Nov 29, 2017 - 03:59pm PT
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Let’s impeach the orange groper who now can’t even recognize the sound of his own voice talking about his sexual assaults on women. Let’s crucify the Alabamian pederast. No? Then maybe some others need to shut up about Franken until they can muster the appropriate backbone.
all well and fine and I agree with Jeebus above
Who is the "Alabama pederast" that keeps being referred to on this thread?
If it's meant to be Roy Moore, he's been accused of a number of things, but pederasty is not one of them.
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crankster
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No. Tahoe
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Nov 29, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
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Yeah, I bit on your trolling. My bad. Now, go back to Trump’s Twitter feed. Your outrage meter has hit the roof over Franken. Trump, meh. His sexual assault accusations don't bug you, obviously. ...
That would be me. I respect the office of the President of my country, and afford that respect to the title bearer of the office and refer to the President (past and present) in proper fashion.
Its President Trump
Sorry to offend you, enabler. I don’t use the P word. Lol.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 29, 2017 - 05:42pm PT
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the word is Pedophilia - and we are talking about Roy Moore and Donald Trump
*A federal lawsuit filed in New York accuses Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl more than 20 years ago, at several Upper East Side parties hosted by convicted sex offender and notorious billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein.
*The suit, first reported by the Real Deal, accuses Trump and Epstein of luring the anonymous plaintiff and other young women to four parties at Epstein’s so-called Wexner Mansion at 9 East 71st Street. Epstein allegedly lured the plaintiff, identified in the suit only as Jane Doe, with promises of a modeling career and cash.
*Another anonymous woman, identified in additional testimony as Tiffany Doe, corroborates Jane’s allegations, testifying that she met Epstein at Port Authority, where he hired her to recruit other young girls for his parties. Trump had known Epstein for seven years in 1994 when he attended the parties at Wexner, according to the suit. He also allegedly knew that the plaintiff was 13 years old.
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MikeL
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Southern Arizona
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Nov 29, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
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Norton,
Dial it back. We can read. You don’t need to embolden the type. It doesn’t make it more or less true. We know what your sensibilities / ideologies are.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 29, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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Whenever you look in these st00pid politard threads all you see from these partisan politard people is horsh!t diarrhea coming out of em.
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Mei
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mxi2000.net
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Nov 29, 2017 - 06:52pm PT
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I admit I have not read most of this thread. I'm just using this venue for my own thinking out loud:
Do we (people in general) these days feel obligated to believe in EVERY accusation of sexual misconduct with equal conviction, and join the non-discriminatory crusade against the accused without EVER questioning the motive of the accuser or the nature of each incident, or giving the accused a listen at all?
That's certainly my observation and I fear the implication. For people who have shame and decency, being the victim of accusations of this nature can be deadly even when they are just borderline or downright not true at all. False accusations can ruin people's lives and careers and certainly have been used as weapons. But For people who have no shame and decency, apparently, the accusations, even when they are absolutely true and can be proven, bear no weight on them, especially those with absolute power. The implication is dangerous.
I don't follow closely all the coverage, be it Weinstein, Moore, Franken, Louis C.K., or Keillor, any more because I'm disgusted that they are given equal importance by media, who strive to (or pretend to) show "balance", but some accusations did catch my attention and prompted my questioning.
Regarding Al Franken:
The "groping" (common sense tells me that it was a hover and it obviously stopped at the hover, a distasteful and silly joke) accusation came from a conservative radio news anchor. Hmmm...
The second accusation came from a woman who claimed inappropriate touch while a photo was taken by her husband at a busy state fair 7 years ago. Why did her husband did not punch Franken right there and then? That would have taught him a lesson, right?.
And Al Franken, who has been married to the same woman for 42 years, never had extra marital affairs even during the crazy SNL days, vouched for by dozens of women who worked closely with him: "I’ve met tens of thousands of people and taken thousands of photographs, often in crowded and chaotic situations. I’m a warm person; I hug people. I’ve learned from recent stories that in some of those encounters, I crossed a line for some women — and I know that any number is too many." He goes on ...“Some women have found my greetings or embraces for a hug or photo inappropriate, and I respect their feelings about that. I’ve thought a lot in recent days about how that could happen, and recognize that I need to be much more careful and sensitive in these situations."
Regarding Garrison Keillor, I quote an article:
"Keillor told The Minneapolis Star-Tribune that in one case, he simply "put my hand on a woman's bare back" while attempting to console her. "I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized. I sent her an email of apology later and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it. We were friends. We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called.”"
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crankster
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No. Tahoe
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
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Well put, Mei.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:24pm PT
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New World Order, how old are you?
Your reasoning and critical thinking skills are seriously lacking.
You show a picture of Joe Biden next to a young girl as if that is your proof that he is a pedophile. And if someone posts a picture of you next to a young boy are you one too?
Then you show a link that says former President Clinton actually, gasp, flew on the very same airplane that a sex offender also flew on, therefore you conclude he is also a sex offender. edit: Clinton WAS a sexual predator but not because he got on an airplane.
Every flown on a plane, or taken a cab or a city bus, NWO?
Surely someone who committed some sort of crime was also once on that plane or cab or bus. Therefore YOU are also the same criminal they are.
Do you understand how preposterous, how sophomoric, how ignorant your attempt are? Please grow up.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:36pm PT
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At least he didn't go off about chem trails or fluoride...
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c wilmot
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:37pm PT
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How many people fly on a private plane nicknamed the "Lolita express"? 26 times...
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 29, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
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New World Order pathetically blurts out:
Funny how the left embraces radical Islam
and who is it on the left that embraces ISIS, the Taliban, radical Islam?
name them and just a few of the many ways they do so
going to get that pesky GED this year?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 29, 2017 - 08:19pm PT
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New World Order lies:
Funny how the left embraces radical Islam
and who is it on the left that embraces ISIS, the Taliban, radical Islam?
name them and just a few of the many ways they do so
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WBraun
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Nov 29, 2017 - 08:35pm PT
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This guy ^^^^^ is soooo clueless and brainwashed
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 29, 2017 - 08:56pm PT
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The term pederasty is used variously to refer to: the erotic attraction of an adult male to an adolescent boy; sodomy of an adolescent boy by an adult man; sexual relations between an adult male and a prepubescent boy; anal intercourse between two men; pedophilia, or sexual attraction to young children; sexual molestation of a child by an adult.
There is little agreement about the exact definition of the term even in scientific literature, much less in general usage.
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crankster
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No. Tahoe
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Nov 30, 2017 - 06:25am PT
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I've maintained if others come forward he could be forced to resign. They have. His effectiveness in the Senate will be severely compromised. Time to condsier stepping aside.
Also time for those outraged by Franken, et all, to demand Trump resign. It's hypocritical to do otherwise. Why is Trump getting a pass? Where's the outrage?
Imagine this scenario: Moore wins in Alabama with Doofus's support and Franken is forced to resign. Moore leads in the polls. Lesson: attack the victims and be rewarded.
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c wilmot
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Nov 30, 2017 - 06:37am PT
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Regardless of whether any of these men are guilty of the crimes they have been accused of or not, one thing is for sure – the ones who hold left wing values have earned the right to make at least one mistake in their lives. George Takei has helped millions of LGBT children around the globe come out and be comfortable in their sexually. Harvey Weinstein has donated funds to many Democratic candidates and grass-root movements that have helped us secure political power. Who cares if these men have made one or two mistakes in their lives? What’s important is that they have realized their mistakes and are willing to learn from them, which is more than I can say for Trump and his fellow GOP rapists.
Great minds think alike
https://medusamagazine.com/why-we-should-believe-women-who-accuse-right-wingers-of-rape-more-than-those-who-accuse-liberals
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EdwardT
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Nov 30, 2017 - 07:42am PT
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Weinstein, O'Reilly and now Lauer are all gone due to the strength of the accusers' claims.
Roy Moore should be toast by now. But his people have done a good job finding flaws in his accusers' stories. How about a look at that yearbook Ms Allred?
Conyers hasn't stepped down due to sheer arrogance.
In my opinion, there's a big difference from just being crass... being a schmuck versus being a sexual predator. Al Franken is guilty of being crass. Nothing more.
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rottingjohnny
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Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:33am PT
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Is there a statute of limitations on the assault accusations...? Seems like it's too late to do anything legally other than shame the perps if that's humanly possible...?
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WBraun
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:38am PT
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Go to DC and become a lawyer and prosecute all the criminals you useless brain dead freaks whine about here all day long.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 30, 2017 - 08:44am PT
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Luzzzzer...!
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Nov 30, 2017 - 11:25am PT
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AF is a turd bag.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 30, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
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Both Jenners are turd bags...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Another Franken victim.
A former Democratic congressional aide said Al Franken tried to forcibly kiss her after a taping of his radio show in 2006
That's his move, apparently.
Two former colleagues of the woman independently corroborated her version of events, including Franken telling her he had the right to try to kiss her because he was “an entertainer.”
That sounds like something you'd tell Billy Bush.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/al-franken-accusation-sexual-harassment-2006-281049
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Franken has to go, because in the democratic party we don't tolerate this.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Ken...
because in the democratic party we tolerate this.
or, say, touchy uncle joe biden? if Franken has to go then the Dems can have their empty seat, Independents or Unity Party are critical at this point
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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BTW Ken, you lovin' the Dems now that the Al Green House impeachment vote went down 364-58?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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He’ll likley resign tomorrow. Probably time.
Now it’s Trump’s turn. Anybody outraged over Franken should be beyond livid the POS POTUS has skated.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Franken should not resign unless the far worse Republicans including trumpy resign first. The Democrats are idiots if they think they are setting an example. They have attempted this loser policy to play nice before and always the Republicans never reciprocate. The entire GOP strategy for years now is dirty politics. The Republicans will NEVER follow any such example, as demonstrated by the GOP official support for moore. It is foolish to claim that Franken's case stands alone, regardless of what happens in other cases. He would actually not be setting an example, because we know that unless those worse cases resign first, they will never resign. In fact they will have a victory dance where they celebrate the Democrat self-immolation.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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A good play by the Democrats. Conyers out, Franken out. Now they can demand that the Republicans do some house cleaning as well.
The Republican play, if they can pull it off, is to have Moore get the seat, then throw him under the bus so the Governor gets to appoint a new Republican Senator.
The interesting development will come when the names, currently secret, of those in Congress who paid out settlements with taxpayer dollars are made public. Now that the existence and use of the fund is public knowledge it's only a matter of time.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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you seriously believe Senate Republicans will order Moore out of the Senate? really?
they can drag out an "Ethics Investigation" for the remainder of his term.......
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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they can drag out an "Ethics Investigation" for the remainder of his term.......
Why would that be to their advantage? They tried as hard as they could to primary him in the first place. He's a loose cannon, the establishment will take him out. All that matters to them is holding the seat. They'll leverage the Governor to appoint one of their own.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Before Al steps down, EACH of those needs to be compared.
I can't agree. I get your frustration, but the logic is flawed. It's wrong to let a confirmed sexual molester go unpunished just because worse predators might be outed in the future. Apparently a group of powerful women in the Senate think so too, and they're Democrats.
It's also wrong to let smaller fish off the hook just because bigger fish (Trump for example) are harder to catch.
268? Wow. The fact that they stooped to paying off their accusers/victims with taxpayer money is enough to throw them to the wolves. I can't wait for the shoe to drop.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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"Apparently a group of powerful women in the Senate think so too, and they're Democrats."
That is because the Democrats are more interested in ever admitting wrong-doing than Repubhypocrins, who never admit anything. Trump being the top example. George Bush jr. to this day does not admit he was mistaken in attacking Iraq.
And in those Democrats safe districts, being politically correct is of top importance, with no consideration to practicality or consistency. Otherwise those women in the Senate would release the names of all the secret settlements.
Duncan Hunter (R) from eastern San Diego County embezzled $100,000 from his campaign funds to spend on his own pocket. The "investigation" has been going on for years, with no outcome or indictment. If it were you or me, we would be in jail.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I don't think this is the flush that gets him. Franken's going to keep clinging to the rim.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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^nope. he is gone. over it, done voting dem, period, personally.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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it's almost like his colleagues on the same side of the aisle did not value him due to his unconventional, unserious rise to power. it is almost like they think that they can pull many female votes by taking the high road here. the female candidate for POTUS did so well woth this, why wouldn't it work well this time around? it's like deja vu all over again, the song that never ends, the party of the golden rule (and no majority), etc.
I think i will be changing my registration to independent.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Sad situation. It became clear it had to happen.
IMO, taking this “high road” will have no long lasting effect, beyond a short term, Dem, self patting on the back about how virtuous they are. As well, as the use of sound bites in the next election, about the moral high ground the Dems took.
It seems that we’ve reduced our values in our country to money being the determiner of all that is good and worthy.
As for the effect of the resignation on bolstering the Dem image, “no good deed goes unpunished” comes to mind.
I’ve always registered independent or decline to state. I’m about to register “anarchist” if that becomes available.
Now back to regular scheduled programming on Jerusalem.
Susan.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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It's a drag because we reall need him right now. He brought it on himself, and us, though.
" just put Rambo back inside your pants!" -The Dead Kennedys
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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He brought it on himself, and us, though. In this case, he is a victim of the #metoo movement. I read about four of the accusations and each one of them is just ridiculous. Yes, I said it.
I quote a comment I read somewhere else, "He had a target on his back because he was the Democrats' toughest bulldog. " Having read his books, I believe in his integrity and genuine intention to serve the people. Because of that, I can understand his decision to step down. Once he realized that he had lost effectiveness in his governing capacity, he's not one to cling on to power.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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There really will be no political negative from Franken resigning the Senate.
Minnesota Democratic Governor Mark Dayton will appoint a Democrat who will be just as supportive of Democratic policies and votes as Franken in the Senate.
The only loss will be on the committees Franken serves on, but he will be replaced by another Democrat.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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gotta agree with Mei on this.
the man owned up to every allegation, addressed them all, refuses to respond with blanket denials. If the Dems cannot understand the degrees of difference between, say, badgering girls under 16 from the photo-op grazed buttocks, or the ability of Mr. Franken to respond sensibly when a woman says no to "aggressive/forcible kissing" then the Dems can sink and slither and slide and fail like they have done for the past, uhh, nearly two decades, well then let 'em keep on keepin' on....LOSING.
yeah Norton, NO, there is a lasting political effect. It's called public opinion. Accepting responsibility LOSES confidence. Yes it is honorable to "do the right thing" here.
Do you notice any difference from the Republican strategy of deny, deny, deny, "those bitches are scheming political operatives," etc.?
The sick, divided, talk-radio/Fox-poisoned court of public opinion (overall) sees Franken as worse than Moore or Trump.
Let it burn.
F*#k the Dems, f*#k their lame limp-dick strategy of taking the highroad. It never worked* in the past, it will not work this time.
*in the sense of political machination
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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Really? We're talking about a House and Senate that refuse to address the bragart'ed sex assaults of the POTUS. Def disagree with you DMT, but I wish I thought you were correct.
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dirtbag
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I’m glad he is resigning.
Meanwhile:
I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant, and therefore I’m inspecting it…they’re standing there with no clothes, ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that”
“women”-ha.
That’s our president, bragging about how he can barge into dressing rooms where half-naked miss teen USA contestants were dressing.
That dirty old man has gotten a pass.
“Drain the swamp”: what a pathetic joke.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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right dirtbag, and yet.....it seems that our staunch and morally superior Democrats in the house colluded in the massive failure to impeach yesterday.....
so, yeah, not so sure why I (or anyone) should care about a Dem less at the levers of political sausage grinding.
Again, as Rutger Hauer said in the finest American film of the 1990s, "Let it burn"
Flynn's testimony will never put any of the Drumpfs in jail, and so our best hope is to get the f*#ker out now. And yet Pelosi and Hoyer and the whole house kinda, uhh, said this, yesterday: "now is not the time to consider articles of impeachment."
So when is the time? Should I keep crossing my fingers that Bobby Three Sticks will put together the puzzle by year 7 of the Drumpfness? Or should I just keep rock climbing and spreading Pussy Proclamations? I prefer the latter, as it requires less investment of hope, less serious consideration of GTFO'ing, etc. And watching people pull the sheet off their windshield, read and look around in disgust is pretty damn entertaining anyway.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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any reasonable person that gives a damn about confronting sexual abuse and predatory behavior by men.....I mean, c'mon, the dude SAID THAT.
Where is our legislature? We know damn sure that the churches, the electorate, no one else is going to do anything about it.
And yet.... "now is not the time..."
F*#k the Dems. And F*#k Franken too for shorting us on this...
And with respect, DMT, chipping away at the stone has been the modus of the Ms. crowd since, say, 1965. Don't see much progress that way. TRUNDLE THAT SH#T
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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the man owned up to every allegation, addressed them all, refuses to respond with blanket denials
That's not what I heard in his speech today.
But in responding to their claims, I also wanted to be respectful of that broader conversation because all women deserve to be heard and their experiences taken seriously. I think that was the right thing to do. I also think it gave some people the false impression that I was admitting to doing things that in fact I haven’t done. Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others I remember very differently. I said at the outset that the Ethics Committee was the right venue for these allegations to be heard and investigated and evaluated on their merits, that I was prepared to cooperate fully and that I was confident in the outcome.
If that statement is truthful he should not have resigned.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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My point is that Franken does not offer blanket denial. My point is that yielding power to, effectively trading seats with, a sick anti-constitutionalist child predator does nothing besides earn some imaginary brownie points.
kudos Dems, maybe there'll be a Merit ribbon for it. The Belly Up Badge, or maybe the Badder Men Win Badge.
Does no one in the House understand that realism is the f*#king way of the world? Or do they, like Ivanka and Jared, hold cash/influence/power closer than morals?
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John M
climber
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I thought some of his resignation speech was good, but also thought his "not remembering it that way" was convenient. He liked to grab women's asses. He should have come clean. Though I do understand that people blocking out the memory of ones own bad behavior is common.
We are in a strange time. To stand for a principle, then you have to clean house. And sometimes the good gets thrown out with the bad.
the best way forward is to come clean, and then the people can decide if they believe that there is a change of behavior and attitude, or not.
I wish that the republicans would require that of their people too.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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Sure, you have a point DMT. I am a child of Reagan. It just seems like maybe, uhh, not enough progress has been achieved. Witness the: "you can do whatever you want" [to women] POTUS. I'd call that a backslide over the ERA-signer in office in '65.
Sure LBJ pissed in a sink while dictating a statement to a woman on a typewriter, sure he philandered and f*#ked and cheated. But he never made claims, visible to our pubescent males, that "you can do whatever you want."
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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I'm not talking about standing for a principle John M, I'm talking about ceasing to lose.
No one cares that the House vote was landslide in favor of retaining our sex-abuser in chief?
seems to me John (respectfully) that you place a lot of stock in the *wish* that we all played nice, politically. seems to me John (again, just shooting the sh#t here) that you have a lot more faith in "the people" than I do.
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John M
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I have more faith in God, then the people. I believe that things will come right, but that right now we are in terrible times as God is allowing us to reap what we have sown. So we get a commander in chief who is despicable. But that is because we have allowed terrible behaviors. By "we", I don't mean necessarily you, but the greater we of we the people.
I see hope in the fact that women are finally being able to speak out in large enough numbers that things are changing. But I also realize that change sometimes happens slowly and it certainly doesn't happen all at once. There are people who are completely stuck in poor behavior. And their are others who are blind. I do though attribute some of women's willingness to speak up to the election of Trump. His over the top treatment and belittling of women is in part the straw that broke the camel's back. So even in bad, good things can come about. Its sad that we still need to learn lessons this way. but I still see people learning. As they become the majority, then we will see better leaders. Until then, we have to suffer through leaders like Trump.
I'm not surprised that Trump was not impeached. Though you and I find him disgusting, much of our leadership is still beholden to money and the power mongers, and until a law is proven broken, he won't be impeached.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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He liked to grab women's asses. He should have come clean.
That's what I don't believe. One woman accused him for grabbing her from behind after she stood in line for a photo op with him (taken by her husband) at a state fair before he was elected a senator. Another woman accused him for cupping her breast after she stood in line for a photo op with him on a USO tour and all the photo she could produce was one where his hand was firmly on her back and did not appear to be elastic enough to be able to extend all the way around her side to reach her front.
These are events where there were many eye witnesses (they waited in line to have photo taken!), no power intimidation at play that would have prevented the women from speaking out right then and there, and an on-the-spot accusation would have done damage to his image for what he was doing at the moment. Because of that, I believe whatever those women accused him of now was not his intention then, and might not even be true.
His jokes of poor taste and sometimes overly-tight hugs do not put him in a worse category than all the men I have met whose eyes follow a hot chick who happens to be walking by, oftentimes mid-conversation and without their own realization that they are doing it. I doubt many (or most) man who post here hold a higher moral ground than Mr. Franken.
The reason I participate in this thread is because I'm fearing the power of #metoo movement for the future of the country. It can be exploited, and it has been.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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^ and I really think that Franken's atypical rise to power (less beholden to moneybags, etc) irritates those that were installed in power by traditional flesh-pressing, backdeal room-making, etc. He scared them too much. But....how do you know he ain't stretch grope-arm? ;-)
John M: I appreciate your response. Too bad Dog allows us to reap what DT and other sick f*#ks have sown. Seems a lot like DT, this Dog of yours. A masterful, caring/uncaring creature for whose approval and assistance we all pine, us not caring about neglect, just happy for a pat on the back, a recognition from that great Divine above.
And truly (strangely similarly), my mistress, Earth, commands such fealty. Yet I think she's been around a lot longer than Dog, DT, you or me, and actually exerts a fundamental dynamic control of longer lasting (and verifiably observable, heh!) outcomes.
Yes, Mei, the strategy of the dogs of discord, the players of Putin, is like a shitty HS football team. Steal the playbook of the other team and turn it around on them. This strategy works. Witness Jeff Sessions, the racist in charge of the delectably oxymoronic DoJ.
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Jaybro
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I agree with Mei, but I still think the only. Course open to him was to reign,
Had he stayed the reactionary right would have used it to justify the sexual sins of there side.and yes, they are of a higher magnitude of depravity
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thebravecowboy
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sure, sure, Jaybro. I hear you. The thing is that we let the Clinton thing slide all these years so they still have that sick (wonderful!) sexophonist to lord over us.
you either gotta beat 'em at their own game, or follow the moral White Unicorn into impossibility-ville (how the hell would we beat the "moral majority" when we have skeletons like Monica et al in our closet) and hope that our shining white steed wins over the set-in-stone anti-dem set that we have doused all over America.
The answer is a new party, a UNITY party. Kasich is repugnant in one or two ways, for me. Nothing is perfect on our side of things. But let's all, please, please, just consider finding a middle ground, an imperfect but electable directorship, a flavorful and varied sandwich of ideology, a legislature that actually heeds the views of the electorate.
Hell, even Jody and I can agree on some things. I suspect that the Founding Fathers would rather we talked, spoke of our beliefs, TOGETHER, rather than stayed stuck diametrically opposed like some mudbogged mule and his cruel owner, with national administrative and legislative bodies just chugging along like the electorate is hunky-dory.
Let us not forget the anti-democratic actions of the College of Electors. Let us understand the meaning of the Electoral College, let us understand that their anti-mob-rule role has been inverted to a rule of a minority mob, aided and abetted by our bought-and-paid legislature. (Sorry Jody, heehee!)
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Regarding the House vote to impeach President Trump
Although he resisted for weeks, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan agreed to let the Democrats have their vote
the vote was along part lines, every Republican who voted, voted no to impeach
and the Dems to impeach
it is understandable no Republicans want Trump to go through impeachment proceedings
given the daily media spot light on a fellow member of their political party
I am surprised that this early in Trumps' presidency that so many Dems stood up and voted to impeach, that can be a risky political move, quite possibly angering independents in their House districts along with all base Republicans and could cost them reelection
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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the vote was along part lines, every Republican who voted, voted no to impeach
and the Dems to impeach
NO! Factually untrue Norton.
Per this page, Pelosi, Hoyer, MOST OTHER DEMS (fully 1/3 of the House!), voted to table (quit) the impeachment measure quoted below
Resolved, That Donald John Trump, President of the United
States is unfit to be President .....
So yeah, f*#k
the Dems.
by kowtowing to the reelection boogeyman, they (and you Norton) really show the rotten meat, the broken dull tines, the parts that put sh#t in our food, in the sausagegrinder.
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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We Must hold Trump to the same standard as Franken
As a man of zero integrity Trump will not rise to the standard. We should run with him that!
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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yes indeed, "fuk the Dems" for having gall to bring an impeachment vote up
and yes, and again fuk the dems because their House minority leaders did not agree with a number of the rank and file that now is a good time to do it
oh my, they just all should have voted to impeach if the dems had any guts
and fuk Norton for posting about this vote
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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no norton, not f*#k you.
f*#k your inaccurate statement "the Dems [partyline voted] to impeach "and doublef*#k your adherence to a leadership unwillling to do what needs to be done.
and also, I am a bit cornfused as to your misrepresentation of my complaint that the Dems did not vote to impeach (you paint me as damning them for allowing a vote...?) I am obvi in line with Al Green. You are not. Your patently inaccurate statement reminds me a lot of those of the Liar in Chuff.
maybe if we wait a little longer, let the Mueller investigation dawdle to its inevitably impotent conclusion, maybe if we allow our elected officials to keep sucking the teat of the status quo majordomos, maybe, just maybe....something good will happen.
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Yes Norton, they should have voted to impeach. Unsure what magical seer stones or divining pools you and Pelosi are indulging in, but please feel free to share.
Meanwhile, the Orange world turns......
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Better they should wait until it will stick!
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Happiegrrrl2
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I think it is plausible that the reason Franken, and some others, are stepping down is due to damage control - NOT for what has come out already, but what MAY come out in the future.
Better to step aside when you've been accused of "lesser sins" and no longer be in the legislature when "greater sins" are made public. The Jeffrey Epstein thing is roiling at a slow slimmer but heating up, and unless DT gets his hands on the nukes and blows us to smithereens, it will be boiling over as part of the Mueller probe(yes, pun intended).
Right now, in comparison to Moore, Franken looks like an Alter Boy caught drinking the wine from the sacristy. THIS is his "15 minutes of Shame." Imagine were he still seated if it comes out that he has participated in some of the things that are expected to come out.
We can be pretty sure that Clinton will be named in the scandal, and though the Trump supporters still claim it as "fake news," Donald Trump will be named. Who else, though.... Your guess is as good as mine, but I have the feeling there will be plenty. And WE, taxpayers, have been paying for it. God f*#king forbid, they tell you, that an honest, hard-working American should pay a few pennies, toward the food a child whose parent is a drug addict. And all along they have used taxpayer funds toward their partying with the use of child prostitutes - girls as young as twelve(and probably younger, and almost certainly boys in the same age range) FORCED into sexual slavery. What do you think happens to those kids when they get worn out??????? WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS TO THEM?
Clean house now and hope to hell you get them all. Let the GOP'ers hold on to their "it's lies, I tell you" denials, because when it comes out(apparently Epstein taped much or all), there ain't going to be any denying.
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Mei
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I truly believe that Franken stepped down because 1) he sincerely believed that he could no longer do his honorary job; 2) he and his family can no longer take any more smear campaigns (you are right; there could be more *false* accusations to come out).
there ain't going to be any denying. Oh trust me, the buffoon and his gang will still deny even under oath standing next to a video showing the very thing that they are denying. I won't underestimate their "art of denial."
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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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I got my Fox News fix today while driving back & forth to town. Fox reported Franken’s resignation & also accurately report his remarks about Trump & Roy Moore:
“I, of all people, am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate, with the full support of his party,” he said.
Then two Fox “talking heads” discussed if that speech & Franken's resignation would have any effect on Moore’s candidacy for the Senate. One ”talking head” immediately dismissed Franken’s resignation as having any significance, since “they” will just put another Democrat like him in his seat . He smugly added that the Republicans would be fools to think that Franken’s resignation would set a moral standard that Republicans should follow.
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thebravecowboy
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so I guess the gist of the non-impeachment impetus is to sit on our hands and wait for the evidence to become apparent? surely someone is doing something about this.
(hmm, seems to me that the more time passes, the more buying off, scrubbing away, etc., of evidence will occur).
upon whom are we waiting? f*#king godot?
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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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Franken should not resign unless the far worse Republicans including trumpy resign first. The Democrats are idiots if they think they are setting an example. They have attempted this loser policy to play nice before and always the Republicans never reciprocate. The entire GOP strategy for years now is dirty politics. The Republicans will NEVER follow any such example, as demonstrated by the GOP official support for moore. It is foolish to claim that Franken's case stands alone, regardless of what happens in other cases. He would actually not be setting an example, because we know that unless those worse cases resign first, they will never resign. In fact they will have a victory dance where they celebrate the Democrat self-immolation.
i believe that there were a bunch of knuckle-draggers who voted for Trump. But I also think that there were some genuinely serious people, who held their nose. I think, given a chance to ponder what has been wrought, that they will come to not support what the GOP is doing.
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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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No one cares that the House vote was landslide in favor of retaining our sex-abuser in chief?
you know, people are being polite to you, in spite of you having your head up your a*#. You obviously did not read the motion for impeachment, which did not enumerate Trump committing any crimes. you might, if you would read the Constitution, find that the President can only be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors. None alleged.
So you want to waste gov't time and money on a stunt that has no hope of succeeding. Typical far left wing thinking.
You appear to be complaining about ethical thinking and behavior, in favor of the crap that the GOP carries out. Go ahead and leave the democratic party for the anarchist party, and don't let the ethics hit you on the way out.
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thebravecowboy
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Oh Ken, you sweet enabler, you. Keep fighting the good fight for the status quo. You are dreaming if you think that the way forward is to keep pumping the Dem moral high bar and expect anything other than heel dragging in return.
your inability to accept or even envision anything beyond the Elephant vs the Donkey is telling. it was a good 25 centuries until the glue hardened and then cracked, just like every other democratic construction.
adapt or perish. I'll be adapting, thank you.
And no Ken, you are wrong, the resolution cited "high misdemeanors". I can only envision this as something like a candy bar theft after a bunch of dabs, so I am sure that it's not really spot on.....
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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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I am obvi in line with Al Green.
And in another time, you would have been the guy to run a rope over a tree branch to get "street justice", because someone looked at you the wrong way.
You cannot state any crime that Trump has been found guilty of, but you want to start an impeachment that requires that, anyway.
The democratic party does not need anyone with your concept of justice.
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thebravecowboy
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ob.struct.ion.of.just.ice
I love the image of vigilante TBC. Wish I had the mean bones in my body to do what no one else will. wish you had the capacity to understand anarchists as anything more than the bombthrowing devils that mainstreamers of your ilk see as soon as a major political reformation is suggested or demanded. it would behoove you to study the cenetistas
while you are at it Ken, you think the Nay voters outta bail on the Dems too? because I sure do and I am pretty sure that they're wondering too.
unity party or nothing
as to your suggestion that the Dems need not of my support....you are right! they had it last go 'round yet they totally screwed the pooch. I'm sure you'll be fine without me. Good luck, muahahahaha!
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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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The GOP fell from the moral high ground when they backed tRump. Now they just don't care anymore. Ideology and greed are their God now.
In spite of the daily tRump worldwide sh*t show, the Dem's haven't developed a compelling, comprehensive alternative. They need to clean house and come back with a better, more centrist vision, and new leadership.
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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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The Alabama pervert Roy Moore, who our Presidential pussy-grabber & the RNC now endorse on his Senate race, also longs for the "good old days" of slavery, when families were more united, per this report from Newsweek.
They support Moore, since Trump enjoys encouraging the racists, who are an important part of his voter base.
Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate under fire for alleged sexual misconduct with teenage girls when he was in his 30s, apparently believes America was a better place at a time when slavery was still legal.
At a campaign event earlier this year, an audience member asked Moore for his opinion on when the last time America was "great." Moore responded: "I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."
The individual who asked the question was among the few African-Americans in attendance at the rally, according to the Los Angeles Times. In stating this, Moore seemingly implied he'd be able to overlook the enslavement of other human beings as long as families are "united," an interesting perspective from a man accused of repeatedly preying on young girls.
http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-last-time-america-great-during-slavery-741845?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=yahoo_news&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news
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Lituya
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The GOP fell from the moral high ground when they backed tRump. Now they just don't care anymore. Ideology and greed are their God now.
Can't we all just "moveon?"
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dirtbag
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You cannot state any crime that Trump has been found guilty of, but you want to start an impeachment that requires that, anyway.
To be clear, “high crimes and misdemeanors” was an 18th Century term that didn’t literally apply to solely criminal acts. Most scholars think it meant an abuse of the office or dereliction of duty. Certainly, there is a good evidence Trump has done that and more already. But I agree that it is premature to discuss impeachment. It would surely rip the country in half, so any impeachment movement needs to have an extremely compelling case. We’re not there yet.
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Happiegrrrl2
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The thing that makes me angry is that a large majority of people who vote Republican do NOT share the "values" and mindsets that are causing so much vitriol and angst, nor are the politicians are NOT representing their constituents.
Are these folks sending letters/making calls to their legislators to let them know they do NOT support the statements that they are making? I don't know, but if they are, how can they not see their voice seem to mean nothing?
You know......If we could develop an online system that WAS secure, and was not gameable, and ALL votes, on ALL bills, could be decided by the People directly - well, wouldn't that be something? There could still be reps and senators, to manage the "secretarial" work of getting the changes enacted, or to do research and present information.
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Happiegrrrl2
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Mock 'those people' all you want. You can't shed them and you can't ignore them.
I grew up in Wisconsin, in a family that I believed "was wealthy," because that's what my father told us. It wasn't until senior year in high school when my social studies teacher asked for a raise of hand by those of us who felt we were in the Middle Class. I don't know the percentage up, but it was definitely the majority, and I was firmly among them.
Teacher then went on to explain the reality; that most of us were in actuality "Upper Lower Class." He used facts and plain words, and I knew he was speaking the truth. Humbling, that. But not only humbling, a shaking of y brain - how could I have looked at what we had - shivering under thin blankets in a cold farmhouse despite "unlimited free propane" (my father's business). Hand me down clothes and two white shirts to go under the single tartan pattern Catholic school uniform(handed down from sister or bought used from some unknown source). We had a good meal on the table at 5 every night, thanks to my mom,and I guess that was what I accepted as the guidepost.
When we switched to public school in 11th grade, I was told I wouldn't be going to college, so my curriculum was that of "Tech Track." I was deep in my pot head by then, so college held no interest(one of my life regrets, not going to college). I could have gotten a FREE BOAT RIDE, I now know, with Pell Grants and scholarships, had ONLY someone explained that to me, had only SOMEONE taken the time to explain that I could do well, and provide me with some sort of stimulation besides being able to order all the Scholastic Books I could read(thank you, Mom, for insisting there be no limit). I had held the highest IQ in my grade school(not grade) when tested in 5th grade(this info provided by the daughter of a teacher who liked to look into classmate records when waiting after school for mom. There was a small group of testers who took me out of class for two solid days doing tests because I was not participating, in sixth grade. The consensus was "gifted." I remember them explaining that to my teacher. And then the next day I was back to the routine - sitting in the desk next to teacher, disallowed to be among my peers, because I didn't pay attention.
I AM that Middle America, through and through. So... there's that.
Why are we SOOOOOO understanding that all the white "Middle American" men(those whose grandfathers held mind-numbing factory jobs they often detested) feel "left behind, ignored, abused?" Where has the pity been all the years previous for the inner city kids, the rural poor in the south? The ones who actually WERE left behind, ignored, and abused?
Give me a small violin(trying not to swear here - hear that in the tone one would hear "give me a f.... break").
Sure - the factory jobs went away. We SAW IT COMING. I know that I did! At 18, when the guys in my class graduated and started to seek jobs. Farming had already crashed on them(so you see, we had a precedent - the death of factory jobs was NOT a virgin trauma on our population). The factories WERE starting to shut. Yeah....men were panicking. Yeah, there weren't enough jobs. Yeah, people complained.
And then they got up and started learning new trades and while some did not flourish, a good number did. (Why do we feel responsible for those factory-men who failed to flourish, when the young black male with such more limited resources at the same time was "lazy" and "should move if there are no jobs nearby?"
The GOP(NOT to be confused with the general population who vote GOP) has NO plan to help these people, black, brown, yellow or white. They. Are. Lying. Handing us bullshit(oops) and telling us it's a fudge brownie.
And NOT.ONLY.THAT!
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It's a plan - well orchestrated, that is clear - by our good old enemy, Russia. Call that fake news all you want - just please stop short of starting civil war. We. Have. Been. Had.
By a master in the art.
Who very well may have known - no, they HAD to know - that the bumbling Trumps couldn't pull off what they were hoping to.
It's NOT Middle America v The Coasts. STOP with that - PLEASE! For the sake of our Republic.
United We Stand. Divided We Fall.
THAT is "the plan" for us, for We, the People.
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dirtbag
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Care to verify that with a citation
Sure, but I don’t have time right now. If you are interested there are countless sources if you google “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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...and ALL votes, on ALL bills, could be decided by the People directly - well, wouldn't that be something?
What you propose is the thing the framers of the Constitution feared. This is why we are a Democratic Republic, not a pure Democracy. Checks and balances between governing bodies at the local, state, and Federal levels dampen the countries penchant for swinging wildly in different directions, and also prevent a "tyranny of the majority," where a small majority can rule as they will over large, but smaller minority. The fox asks the chicken what's for dinner tonight.
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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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If you vote GOP, you are not GOP? I am confused...
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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"Cheap ass words."
Why do you suggest that? Is it because I am one of those "never served?"
As you know, they aren't my words, but one of the concepts of our union that at least one founding father held. "Cheap ass words, my ass." Tell that to the man who wrote them
But back to the motto. Dividing our population is EXACTLY what has been prescribed to fix our wagon. Turn one group against another to weaken both groups. A standard way of doing business, when you're in the business of controlling a population.
It has been shown that there absolutely WAS a bot campaign created and implemented during the '16 campaign to amplify messages of divisiveness. I know that I was aware that all of a sudden my sidebar "news" feed was becoming more and more about those types of stories.
Because I have an interest in spam and the criminal connection that goes with it, I knew those stories were from suspect sources, and also that the headlines were often incendiary and bizarrely NOT what was included in the content of the stories. And it worked like a charm. We'd see these stories - our FB friends would share them, and suddenly outrage was spilling from the feeds. OFTEN over misinformation and fabricated garbage. The effort exacerbated our feelings of difference between GOP and DEM. Add in paid trolls(yes, it has absolutely been shown to have been done) to keep the conversations aggressive, and the "anonymous other" syndrome took hold, where we treat others through the scrim of the internet in ways we would never do in person.
Believe this - we ARE in the process of a cold cyberwar. The enemy is NOT our fellow citizens. We have GOT to stick together as a whole, even as we disagree on many things, or the country will be destabilized. THAT is the endgame Putin is playing for.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Putin threw a grenade into our political process, plain and simple. He didn't give a sh*t whether it was Trump or Clinton. He just wanted to screw us up, and he did.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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True that Putin originally just wanted to blow up our system. But as the election neared Putin saw an opportunity to get a guy beholden to him elected. It worked
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jody? I find your latest post fun.
Dec 9, 2017 - 06:51pm PT
dirty tricks designed to fool the stupid and gullible.
And those folks shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.
Are you now advocating against allowing Fox News watchers & believers access to our voting process?
Whatever! How can I argue with an ex-CHP fellow like you?
Have another drink & let's agree some more!
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nah000
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now/here
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happie wrote: we ARE in the process of a cold cyberwar
Ksolem wrote: Putin threw a grenade into our political process, plain and simple.
i'm not sure what to say really.
have neither of you been following the metric tons of complete and total misinformation that gets pumped into the brains of the u.s. electorate by, to start with, the domestic "news" services, on the daily, for decades now?
to put some of the u.s. challenges first and foremost at the hands of the russians/alqueda/isis/etc is something that has always boggled my mind about americans:
you folks are collectively the worlds 18.6 trillion pound gorilla...
but you're always dividing yourselves swatting at fleas, and acting like the fleas [the russians of today, al queda, isis, the central american rebels of yesteryear, and on and on] are actual pound for pound threats to your existence.
don't get me wrong: i'm not saying they should be completely ignored and i'm not saying that fleas aren't annoying.
i just don't get how you don't see that the only current threat to continued american dominance are the same threats that have taken down pretty much every empire since the beginning of time: overextension of attempts at extra border control, fundamentalist ideological rigidity, internal social theft and therefore fracture, and etc...
ie. from my own perspective as an outsider who has had both the fortunate opportunity to drive down the length of the eastern seaboard all while marveling at the relatively younthful [relative to other civilizations], relatively organically and decentrally derived, and incredibly large scale and distributed manufacturing/corporate/built infrastructures while also being able to do some travelling to other global power centers... i really don't understand how anyone would think anything other than that the only real threats to domestic american freedoms are internal ones.
ie. putin would only love to have the power that you folks thinks he has.
and this is not to say that he doesn't have power. he is without doubt one of the most powerful individuals the world over.
issue is you folks don't seem to have a good understanding of your own collective power.
and so the looting of the american people by your own, will continue unabated.
all while you all argue about the russians, al queda, isis, or whatever the threat du jour pumped out by your subtly and not so subtly fraudulent mass media is deemed to be.
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John M
climber
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good post Nahooo
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John M
climber
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overextension of attempts at extra border control, fundamentalist ideological rigidity, internal social theft and therefore fracture, and etc...
these are what he said are problems.. Trump is big on these. I don't need the interpretation of the media to know this. I just need to read his words and watch his actions.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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when our constitution was written
one had to be a white, male, land owner to vote
they felt that would indicate some evidence of character and perhaps intelligence
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Pat Sajak (not say Jack) is the man (@ least so far), never laid a nasty hand on Vanna. Can you blame him. He's married to my cuz Lesly Brown.
BTW, no dirty laundry at all in this dynamic duo/trio.
As Wheel of Fortune approaches its 35th anniversary, it's obviously a good time to look back at everything the game show has done over the years, and it's no small achievement that Vanna White has managed to wear over 6,500 dresses and gowns since the show premiered in 1982, and without ever donning the same one twice.
All of y'all who have not man-handled women and/or contemplated doing so should get a life and stop hanging out with the riff-raff. One will be along shortly.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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http://thehill.com/policy/international/236565-netanyahu-pollster-obama-role-in-election-larger-than-reported
And Obama spent two or three hundred thousand to influence the last Israel election. No doubt we try to influence many elections all around the world in some way. At the end of the day, I’ve never read that the Russians hacked and flipped any tabs. Oh dear, they bought 100k in Facebook ads! And the trump admin had the audacity to make contact during the transition!! You libs are nuts. The reasons you lost were your shitty ideas, a deplorable, utterly corrupt candidate, and your own smug arrogance.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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To hell with worrying about what's going on currently (TRUMP)...
Let's instead keep our focus on OBEEMER and HELLHURRY...
Makes total sense to me...
It should—if you want to know why you lost, and why trump is sittin’ in the White House. ;)
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jody writes:
Why would you say that JohnM? You are one of the ones duped by that media into thinking Trump is the devil.
Yes Jody! Donald Trump is indeed the Biblical Satan!
Proof positive came this week, when he declared that the U.S. now recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, & he will move our embassy there.
That works for the Evangelicals, who believe that Jerusalem needs to be elevated by the Antichrist (that would be Donald Trump) so that Armageddon can happen, to further their strange biblical agenda.
When I was young, our pastor insisted that Jerusalem had an important role to play in these end-times events. When the Jews rejected Jesus as the messiah, he explained, God chose the church to accomplish his mission. Soon this "church age" would end with the rapture of true believers.
But God still loved the Jews, he told us, and wanted to redeem them. Thus, absent the church, the Jews would experience a great religious rebirth and rebuild their temple in Jerusalem. This would spark a series of cataclysmic events that would culminate in the Battle of Armageddon, the last war of humanity. But it would also cause the Jews to finally accept Jesus as their savior. After all this occurred, Jesus would return in glory and God's kingdom -- a thousand-year reign of peace. And it would begin in Jerusalem.
This theology -- a literal belief that all these things must happen before Jesus will return to reign on Earth -- is called "dispensational pre-millennialism" and it is not the quirky opinion of some isolated church. Although the majority of Christians do not share these views, versions of dispensational pre-millennialism dominate American evangelicalism.
It originated as a small movement in the 1840s, but by the 1970s, millions of evangelical and fundamentalist churchgoers had embraced some form of it.
Dispensationalism was popularized in a best-selling book called "The Late, Great Planet Earth" by Hal Lindsey; and later, in the 1990s, it reached an even larger audience through the "Left Behind" novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins. The theology spread via Bible camps and colleges, through theological seminaries and revival meetings, in films and videos, by Sunday school materials, and in daily devotional guides -- all teaching that the end of the world was near, and that Jerusalem was the physical place where this apocalyptic drama would unfold.
More here: http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/opinions/jerusalem-israel-evangelicals-end-times-butler-bass-opinion/index.html
Good work Jody! You are now supporting Satan (Donald Trump) in his biblical quest to bring on Armageddon!
And if he is not Satan, Trump has to be the biggest arse-hole on the planet & if you support him, you lower your status to “arse-hole” worshipper, from merely being an ass.
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Lituya
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Fritz, that was one of the most convincing posts I’ve ever read. And boy, I like the way you went all-in on the whole millennial dispensational folks. Now THAT is some scary shit! You go Fritz. I look forward to reading what you have to say about fake moon landings and the melting point of steel. You understand folks like you who are in the know gotta be careful. We need you man!!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Hey Lituya! FuK you & the Trump you rode in on!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Lie to ya...Not trying to change the subject but Sajak looks like he's having a boing moment...rj
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Crow Mortality Study.....
98% of crows have been killed due to impacts with large trucks and only 2% were killed by a car .
The State of Massachusetts hired an Ornithological Behaviorist from Boston to determine the disproportionate percentages for the large truck versus car kills.
The Behaviorists determined the cause in short order.
When crows eat road kill, they always set-up a look-out crow in a nearby tree to warn of impending danger.
His conclusion was that the lookout crow could say "Cah" ....but he could not say "Truck."
Now you know!
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JC Marin
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CA
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Dec 10, 2017 - 10:10pm PT
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If Al Franken wants to stay in the senate...
He should just become a Republican.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:27am PT
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Errr, did I miss something? Franken is still in office.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:28am PT
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"Democrats keep tke the high road and the republicans go low and win, and this keeps happening over and over again... That's a sad, stinky sack of reasoning."
It's sad and it stinks, but
it's also reality.
We have so many idiot voters who fall it.
The Repubhypocrits have used this strategy successfully for many decades.
Why else would we now be cutting taxes for the rich and proclaiming that it is reform?
Why else would the Supreme Court be stacked with fans of Citizen United and unlimited lobbying?
Why else would we be loosening up rules on conservative [religious] lobbying?
Why else would we be taxing grad students tuition waiver as income?
Why else would trumpy be president?
Why else would so many states be gerrymandered for republicans?
Why else would we deny AGW? Why else would we be eliminating net neutrality? Why else are we effectively eliminating the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) from doing anything.
Why else are we crippling the EPA?
Why else has nothing been done to stop the trump crime family from profiting off government use of their private for profit hotels and resorts?
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John M
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:33am PT
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he is resigning. That doesn't mean he has resigned. The time issue is to allow his replacement to be found. The same thing happened with an Arizona senator who recently resigned. He was going to stay until Jan 1st. to allow the governor time to replace him. A few days later he changed his mind because he said his wife was ill, and left sooner. That was after more allegations came to light.
Will Franken actually leave? we will see.
But then, my guess is that you knew all this, you are just trying to stir the pot.
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Lituya
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:37am PT
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The real story here is the stark difference in the way Democrats treated Conyers and Franken. No racism here in D-land!
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:50am PT
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No logic involved at all inside Lituya-land of faux trolls, where facts are always ignored.
As a matter of fact, Lituya it is you who are being the exact Repubhypocrit that I just wrote about in my previous post, the kind who easily ignores serious sexual abuse by trumpy and moore.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:53am PT
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The real story here is the stark difference in the way Democrats treated Conyers and Franken.
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both Conyers and Franken are both resigning, what after some 10 days or so after a couple of credible accusations became public, but let's not quibble between days and years
let me think, Trump has 16 women now accusing him of sexual behavior over decades, is he resigning?
are their Republican members of congress suggesting he do so?
stark differences indeed
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 11, 2017 - 11:59am PT
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Again, can't we all just "moveon?"
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 11, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
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What's black and blue and hates sex?
The 14 year old tied up in the back of Roy Moore's van.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2017 - 01:06pm PT
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ah yes, Bill Clinton, what a sleaze, he should have voluntarily resigned
just like Trump should but would like us all to,,,,,just kind of move on and stop talking about this stuff
first because, he called all 16 of the women who have accused him of improper sex behavior liars, they all lied
secondly because as his press secretary Sarah says, the voters knew about Donald's sex stuff and voted for him anyway
see? the voters excused his behavior because they wanted so badly for him to be President
so enough of this inappropriate sexual harassment or groping stuff, no one cares anymore
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Lituya
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Dec 11, 2017 - 01:26pm PT
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Yep, every last one of you tards was defending Bill Clinton back in the day. "Hundred dollar bill through a trailer Park," anyone? and who can forget "bimbo eruptions?" You all should get off your collective soapbox and revisit your own sad behavior. What, you think because a couple of Democrat perv congressmen have issued (non)resignations it's time for Trump to fall on a sword? You guys are sad.
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Lituya
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Dec 11, 2017 - 01:37pm PT
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Well, you set a standard, in the late 1990s, for presidential behavior that is indefensible. Now, you should defend it. Can you?
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John M
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Dec 11, 2017 - 01:45pm PT
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its not defensible. Just as Trump's behavior isn't defensible. Most liberals are showing signs of understanding this. Just look at the calls for people like Franken to resign.
what is your stance on Trump? And what are conservatives doing?
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Lennox
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in the land of the blind
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Dec 11, 2017 - 02:12pm PT
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It was wrong to defend Clinton for political, or any, reasons. But to re-litigate what was wrong with Clinton as a way of letting Trump off the hook is some slimy logic.
I guess Lituya would have Catholic priests just carry on buggering altar boys, because so many Catholics let other priests get away with it for so long. Why should we hold them to a different standard?
Times are changing, if you haven’t noticed. Out of politeness or respect for the office or where the culture was at the time, the press knew, but didn’t report on JFK’s adulterous womanizing that was abetted by the secret service. And with Bill Clinton many people rationalized a separation of personal behavior and professional ability as a defense. That is not the world we live in now.
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Lennox
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in the land of the blind
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Dec 11, 2017 - 02:44pm PT
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Yep, every last one of you tards was defending Bill Clinton back in the day. "Hundred dollar bill through a trailer Park," anyone? and who can forget "bimbo eruptions?" You all should get off your collective soapbox and revisit your own sad behavior. What, you think because a couple of Democrat perv congressmen have issued (non)resignations it's time for Trump to fall on a sword? You guys are sad.
What abou your sad behavior? You seem to know exactly how liberals fvcked up back then, why can’t you do any better now?
Ironically, your own hatred of the Clinton’s and liberals, and your resentment over what you see as the hypocrisy of libs letting their guy get away with something they want to tear your guy down for is blinding you to your own hypocrisy—you are correct that if it isn’t right for Trump, it shouldn’t have been right for Clinton, but also, if it wasn’t right for Clinton, it shouldn’t be right for Trump.
If you believe Clinton should have been chased out of office—how in the hell is it logically consistent to say that Trump shouldn’t?
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2017 - 02:49pm PT
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Yep, every last one of you tards was defending Bill Clinton back in the day.
prove it, honey boo boo
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Lituya
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Dec 11, 2017 - 07:39pm PT
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And with Bill Clinton many people rationalized a separation of personal behavior and professional ability as a defense. That is not the world we live in now.
Ummmm, it was only, like, 19 years ago. The times and acceptable behavior haven't changed at all--and the facts of the Clinton rape allegations/settlements sure haven't. Maybe we can put Clinton and Trump on trial together. I'd be down for that. Otherwise, all I see are mostly libtard Hollywood moguls and politicos finally getting called out for their rot--and a bunch of liberal opportunists hoping for some sort of silver lining.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 11, 2017 - 08:01pm PT
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zBrown
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Dec 11, 2017 - 08:16pm PT
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zBrown
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Dec 11, 2017 - 08:17pm PT
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Bookem' Danno
This case is closed
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2017 - 09:48pm PT
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Yep, every last one of you tards was defending Bill Clinton back in the day. "Hundred dollar bill through a trailer Park," anyone? and who can forget "bimbo eruptions?" You all should get off your collective soapbox and revisit your own sad behavior. What, you think because a couple of Democrat perv congressmen have issued (non)resignations it's time for Trump to fall on a sword? You guys are sad.
You are right. Bill Clinton should step down from his government office.
I didn't see the exposure that you refer to at the time. It was all about Monica, all the time. There was nothing about this in the impeachment hearings, nor the charges brought by the Republicans. They didn't think it was anything special, apparently. Ken Starr spent years and millions, and his final report basically didn't touch on this.
Were Clinton in office today, I would be asking him to step down.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 12, 2017 - 06:24am PT
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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2017 - 08:12am PT
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Roy moore's wife knows a jew
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Dec 12, 2017 - 11:22am PT
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so, why aren't YOU calling for Trump to step down since Bill Clinton's sex stuff bothers you so much?
also, name the Democrats who "support Sharia law"
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dirtbag
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Dec 12, 2017 - 12:32pm PT
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also, name the Democrats who "support Sharia law"
You know Norton, it’s funny. You’ve asked that question of various posters 3 or 4 or so times and have never gotten a cogent response.
We all know, of course, the democrat is Barack Hussein Obama.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
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I've searched high and low and can find no evidence that Judy called for the resignation and prosecution and execution of the CHP rapist/child murderer, Craig Peyer.
Call it whatever you want, but just don't call out one of the "clubmembers".
-deputy good old boy
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
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G.O.P.
Grab Our Pussies?
Gerrymander Our Pedophiles?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 01:33pm PT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2017 - 07:56pm PT
Too bad there wan't a good samaritan around to off CHPig Craig Peyer when he was raping and killing Cara Nott in 1986.
I agree. I wish there had been.
Dec 12, 2017 - 08:13am PT
Were Clinton in office today, I would be asking him to step down.
Did you when he WAS in office?
I call B.S. on your statement.
Note that he doesn't say why he wanted to be there, but anyway the conversation was about contemporaneous calls, right? Not thirty years later.
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 03:14pm PT
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People knew of the many claims against President Clinton, including 2 very credible women who said he had forcibly raped them, and Americans re-elelcted him anyway. So why is that still getting drug up as if it's current news? Time to let it go.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Dec 12, 2017 - 03:49pm PT
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He tried to grab that eagle by the cloaca
cloaca?
Tad, this is a family website, isn't it?
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Dec 12, 2017 - 05:06pm PT
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B
Sounds like WC
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
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D. is the intelligent class which doesn't exist anymore in politics.
That is what should be picked.
But there is only st00pid politards and criminals to vote for nowadays.
St00pid people will vote for these idiots since they are brainwashed by their st00pid brainwashed media .....
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 12, 2017 - 07:03pm PT
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It looks like the pedophile is going to win in Alabama.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Dec 12, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
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Both at 49.2% Momentum in Jones favor.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 12, 2017 - 07:49pm PT
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Go Jones! Boo-hiss Judge Roy Moore!
As mentioned earlier, Jones prosecuted & won convictions for the KKK perverts who bombed a church in 1963 & killed 4 Black teenagers. This was about the time that Roy Moore was having pervert sex with white teenagers.
But of course Moore is a conservative Republican.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 12, 2017 - 08:08pm PT
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But of course Moore is a conservative Republican.
There is nothing Conservative about Moore. Conservatives have principles. He is, on the other hand, a Republican. The two are not the same thing at all.
There's not a Conservative boner in Moore's body.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 12, 2017 - 08:13pm PT
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Conservatives have principles. He is, on the other hand, a Republican.
Well said, and quite true.
Even people who approve of man on dog sex are appalled by Moore:
Former Republican Sen. Rick Santorum says President Trump's demeanor and his attacks likely had an impact on the Alabama Senate race.
"As bad of news this is for Republicans, it is a very clear warning shot ... the President's demeanor and the way he's been so hostile in attacking people, as I have said many times, it's just debilitating," he said.
Santorum, a CNN senior political commentator, continued, "It just wears out a lot of people who would otherwise look at this national economy, look at some of the great things this administration is doing and just get worn-out by it, and worn out by the daily controversy coming out of the President's Twitter feed and did that have an impact? I have not doubt that had an impact in Alabama. I have no doubt in my mind it softened the playing field."
But he said tonight's results were because of Roy Moore.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 12, 2017 - 08:15pm PT
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It looks like the pedophile is going to win in Alabama.
Whoops.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 08:19pm PT
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So the molester won't be heading to the senate
Is he gonna run for the court chair again
Maybe Tromp will appoint him to a federal chair
Somebody gotta keep the nigras down right
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 12, 2017 - 08:26pm PT
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Whoops.
I hate being wrong.
NOT!
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 11:09pm PT
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A vegetarian with a taste for stuffed pigeon and assorted wild game. And he certainly did have several side gigs with the ladies--but none could be considered "affairs" since he didn't marry Eva until 40 hours before the end.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 13, 2017 - 07:00pm PT
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Salma Hayek: Weinstein Threatened to Kill Me, Forced Me to Shoot a Full-Frontal Scene
Bullitt County Coroner Dave Billings said the Republican state representative — and self-proclaimed “Pope” of his Louisville church — most likely killed himself Wednesday. His body was found near a bridge on Greenwell Ford Road in Mount Washington, in a spot called the River Bottoms. He had a single gunshot wound to his head.
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zBrown
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Dec 13, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 13, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
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Matt Lauer’s office sexcapades known to media elites, who roared with laughter over lewd jokes at 2008 ‘roast’
The 2008 Friars Club roast took place at the New York Hilton and was attended by everyone from future President Donald Trump to TV legend Norman Lear to a constellation of New York’s media elite including Brian Williams, Diane Sawyer, Nancy O’Dell and Howard Stern. Also on hand were numerous top executives from across the business and almost everyone who was anyone at NBC News. Fox News has confirmed many details of the roast with a media executive who attended, and has also drawn on the one contemporaneous account of the roast, which appeared in The Village Voice.
Police video shows Oklahoma lawmaker getting busted in motel room with underage boy
Oklahoma state Sen. Ralph Shortey
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article188197274.html#storylink=cpy
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dirtbag
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Dec 14, 2017 - 07:58am PT
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In many ways, losing Franken was a blow to democrats. Still, since Minnesota has a Democratic Governor, his replacement will be a Democrat, making him somewhat expendable.
It will be interesting to see what the Democratic Party will do when a democratic senator or representative from a state with a Republican Governor faces similar allegations.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 14, 2017 - 08:24am PT
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I had not heard about the Ralph Shortey thing. Pig.
Why does it seem that a fairly high percentage of politicians have this predilection for purchasing young people(not young adults, young as in teenaged) for sex?
I wonder how that percentage stands up against populations as a whole. Because......well, yeah.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 14, 2017 - 12:36pm PT
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Pretty much every male at NPR and PBS is getting tossed. Turns out all that liberal effete smarm comes with a dark side.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Dec 14, 2017 - 12:59pm PT
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It will be interesting to see what the Democratic Party will do when a democratic senator or representative from a state with a Republican Governor faces similar allegations.
Bob Menendez, New Jersey...Did I read that he was on the Lolita Express?
Repub Christie is out soon.
Why does it seem that a fairly high percentage of politicians have this predilection for purchasing young people(not young adults, young as in teenaged) for sex?
Ask Menendez?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2017 - 12:13pm PT
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Pretty much every male at NPR and PBS is getting tossed. Turns out all that liberal effete smarm comes with a dark side.
It's when your ridiculous exaggerations cross over to being outright lies, that you lose all credibility, even for your new pseudonym.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Dec 19, 2017 - 12:27pm PT
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Why does it seem that a fairly high percentage of politicians have this predilection for purchasing young people?
I can guess two reasons:
1. When a politician does it, another politician or special interest helps it get publicized (whereas non-famous pursuers of underage people languish in prisons and Megan's law databases but might not get articles about them).
2. People who hold public office (or those in very senior executive positions) are often people who are drawn to power, and relish the opportunity to exercise that power or experience others acknowledging their power. Having paid for a young and impressionable/manipulable person to do things they wouldn't otherwise do would be a big stimulus of experiencing power, a sort of drug for those addicted to it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 19, 2017 - 03:31pm PT
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Why does it seem that a fairly high percentage of politicians have this predilection for purchasing young people?
I take a less analytical approach. It's because they are sleazeballs. Politics is proof that scum floats.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Dec 19, 2017 - 03:38pm PT
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regarding Bob Menendez, New Jersey. - his trial ended in November no jury verdict mistrial
regarding Al Franken - he remains resigned from the Senate and the governor of MN has named his replacement, he has said nothing about "unresigning"
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 05:52pm PT
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Political ideology over decency. Nice.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Dec 19, 2017 - 05:55pm PT
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Trump elected despite pussy grabbing assault claim.
Political ideology over decency. Nice.
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Lituya
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Dec 19, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
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monolith
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state of being
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Dec 19, 2017 - 06:21pm PT
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 19, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
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Any one of you, out there, RIGHT NOW, who hasn't grabbed a butt. . . or a face. . . or the back of a neck. . . stand up and be counted!
...Of someone who would not expect that sort of a move from me? Of someone who is not intimate with me? Never once.
I stand at attention. Count me. And I'm sure I'm not alone by a long shot.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 06:48pm PT
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
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I say let due process take its course.
Be who you are.
Stand tall in your decency.
But. . . give due process a chance to work.
I couldn't agree more. But it begs the question, why did he resign? In his statement he said he was confident the ethics committee would exonerate him. If all of what he said is true he should have told his detractors to pound sand. So it all remains a mystery...
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Happiegrrrl2
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:15pm PT
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I have to wonder if it wasn't a form of damage control for potential future things coming. Better to be gone and pretty much forgotten if something more icky comes up, rather than having stood ground and stayed to be a stain on the party closer to election.
The GOP has always been able to weather dishonorable allegations so much better than Democrats. We want our politicians to actually behave the way they espouse others do. No offense to any voting GOPs(because I really can't see how these currently elected people think the way most of you do), but the GOP has always been able to bible thump while directly contradicting in their behavior what they are preaching.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
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The GOP has always been able to weather dishonorable allegations so much better than Democrats. We want our politicians to actually behave the way they espouse others do.
Bill Clinton.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Dec 19, 2017 - 07:30pm PT
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How can you grope a woman wearing a kevlar vest...? Fake news...
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 19, 2017 - 09:43pm PT
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there is a reason you adore your beloved Trump so much, you both have the same intellect
Norton, ummmmm, since you want to go there, well, you're the one selling mortgages. Not essactly rocket science.
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Lituya
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Dec 19, 2017 - 09:58pm PT
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Frankly, I hope Franken rescinds his resignation. Will reveal liberal Dems for the hypocrites they are--and make it harder for them to pat themselves on the back for any sort of moral high ground.
The whole exercise was useful when you tools thought Moore was going to win Alabama. Now that it's over, well, no need to get all crazy with Franken, right?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2017 - 10:24pm PT
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Any one of you, out there, RIGHT NOW, who hasn't grabbed a butt. . . or a face. . . or the back of a neck. . . stand up and be counted!
Not me, not once, never.
I view Franken's actions to fit more into the "fratboy" or "Bro" mentality....which does not really surprise me for a professional Comedian of the SNL variety at the time when all this happened.
This is not equivalent to rape, or sex under duress.
It can also be argued that this sort of attitude was prior to his change of career, where, as he has spoken often, he felt the need to act and be a more mature and serious person.
That all said, I'm not particularly comfortable with retaining him as Senator. The GOP approach is "let the voters decide", which basically says that there is no ethical fault that in and of itself is disqualifying without an election. I hope that's not true. It wasn't with Wilbur Mills and Fanne Fox. But that standard for the GOP has clearly been vacated. Dems need to take a high road.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 20, 2017 - 12:51am PT
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I view Franken's actions to fit more into the "fratboy" or "Bro" mentality....which does not really surprise me for a professional Comedian of the SNL variety at the time when all this happened.
Ken, the picture has worked in his favor. Most guys actually think it's funny. But what he really did was to set up a skit which involved him kissing her. Then he demanded that they rehearse it. Then, in rehearsal, he kissed her with a tongue thrust into her mouth. That is sexual assault, but no one's talking about it because she was wearing a kevlar vest in the photo.
Okay, maybe stuffing your tongue into an unsuspecting woman's mouth could be seen as "frat boy," but he wasn't exactly in college at the time if you see what I mean...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 20, 2017 - 05:52am PT
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regarding Al Franken - he remains resigned from the Senate...
No. He's still there. He cast a Senate vote last night, in lockstep with the rest of his party.
The reason he said he would resign two weeks ago was to get his accusers to call off the dogs - and it worked, accusers were coming forward one or two a week, and he didn't like it. Now they've stopped.
But he's still there. And all the Senators who were so full of outrage two weeks ago are happy to serve with him.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 20, 2017 - 08:10am PT
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Anyone in Congress talking about a "high road" is as credible as a "deficit hawk" in Congress. There isn't any there.
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monolith
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state of being
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Dec 20, 2017 - 08:11am PT
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LOL, it's called an orderly transition, the senators did not demand an immediate resignation.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Dec 20, 2017 - 09:04am PT
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Yeah? Like who?
Are you KIDDING?
How many lies have been fact-checked against DT just since the day he threw his hat in the rig during the primaries? The GOP HATED him, and one by one he bulldozed past the others running, and then suddenly he was their man.
Look at the ABSURD number of his cabinet members who claim to have "forgotten" to declare their relationships with members of foreign governments, and representatives of those people? How many simply "forgot" they had met with Russian officials???? How does one FORGET that? And not wake up in the middle of the night going "Oh....yeah, I DID. Better make that right tomorrow, first thing," and instead only "remember" when confronted with pictures and transcripts(legally obtained, lest someone go down "that" road - when a US citizen is engaged with a legitimate target from the intelligence community, they unfortunately get caught in the surveillance. In most cases, the identity of those people, when innocent, is masked. But when the IC realizes that the US citizen is actually engaged in criminal activity with those targets, well....they're busted).
Christie and his bridgegate.
Cabinet member after cabinet member with conflicts of interest with the position they are holding.
Just the other day, Mathew Petersen withdrew his nomination for a distric court judge in DC only AFTER a tape of his Senate Confirmation hearing which showed him being unable to answer BASIC legal question went viral.
to start....
For god's sake, DMT. It's not funny. Love your Andy Taylor ability to take an unbiased stance, but even Sheriff Taylor unholstered his pistol when he knew he was dealing with dangerous criminals.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Dec 20, 2017 - 09:21am PT
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I had really hoped Franken would go all the way in 2020 or 2024 (like I’d live that long) but given the climate and all the highly respected female pols that came out it wasnt going to happen.
I struggle with this issue a lot. As a woman, it’s demeaning and deragotory to be treated in a sexually explicit unwanted way . And rape I can’t even begin to think about the horrors of that. As the mother of a 20 something son who’s outgoing and very handsome I worry a lot about what could happen to him if any of his actions were interpreted differently than intended or gawd forbid falsely accused.
Like many societal changes the pendulum swings way way over until it rights itself with a new (usually more moderate) normal. Until it does, there are victims on both sides who can legitimately say “it’s not fair”. They quite simply were in the wrong place in time.
Susan
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 20, 2017 - 04:50pm PT
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Any one of you, out there, RIGHT NOW, who hasn't grabbed a butt. . . or a face. . . or the back of a neck. . . stand up and be counted!
I'll stand, absolutely. I'll also add that this comment is little different from saying "all Muslims are terrorists," or, "all gays are pedophiles." You may have cause, I don't know, but you should be careful with the all caps, IMO.
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ExfifteenExfifteen
climber
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Dec 20, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
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this comment is little different from saying "all Muslims are terrorists,"
Isn't that what all the regular poster think on the taco? That's the impression they have made to me.
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