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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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No experiment, then
You're blowing smoke .....
The experiment has been performed many times by no longer live subjects.
The weren't blowing smoke.
They just left behind a smoking hole.
And maybe a dog tag in a bootlace.
Do you know why aircrew commonly lace an extra dog tag into one of their boots?
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Betelnut
Mountain climber
So. California
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:26pm PT
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Fiction.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:26pm PT
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er, um, the '16 foot' hole on the second floor, on top of the wide hole on the first floor?
Funny, I haven't seen that in the many pictures I've looked at.
In fact, there is no 16' hole on the 2nd floor. Sorry.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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k-man
Sorry for offending you k-man but really, come on, this is such childish nonsense. You're not telling me you're in the same deluded world as Klimmer for God's sake?
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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TGT
You're blowing smoke.
The experiment was not done.
The only thing being done is bullshiting ......
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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Has anyone mentioned that the outer Pentagon windows are all blast/bullet
resistant composite type stuff? Mounted in toughened frames that match the original double hung windows. Reason why so many are still intact close to the impact area.
And note the incredibly thick concrete walls and floors. The place was built to be a fort btw.
See this fort like construction, here exposed by the collapsed area.
The 60 year old reinforced concrete was strong enough to fend off a mid size jet like the 757. The fire is what caused the collapse after burning for awhile.
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/10.jpg
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:38pm PT
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Jaytee and others,
If you don't see the inconsistencies in the Official Story, then you aren't looking. The lies there are as big as the hole in the Pentagon.
The site I posted takes a very objective view of the evidence, it discounts the fringe elements and focuses on the real anomalies. If you want to glaze over them, so be it. The Official Story is full of cover-ups. Close your eyes, you won't see them. But open your eyes, and you will be able to understand why so many people want the truth.
Out.
Leaps of Faith Required to Accept the Official Story
Anomalies of the September 11th Attack, Its Run-Up, and Response
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2011 - 09:38pm PT
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They have the videos of whatever hit the pentagon but they won't release them even after congressional committees request them.
It's hidden under "National Security".
This raises a huge red flag and suspicion.
When ghetto boy goes to rob granny in the liquor store and Granny ends up beating the sh'it out of ghetto boy it's immediately all over the net as evidence.
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monolith
climber
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:39pm PT
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Hilarious K-man, so ignorent. Pretty much everyone knows the '16-foot' hole was on the second floor, except you and Rox.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:40pm PT
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Mono, how about a picture?
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:43pm PT
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Werner
When witnesses to a huge jet flying into the Pentagon are interviewed outside it's smouldering hulk an hour later, that's all over the net too. There are links to them on this thread you've started.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2011 - 09:45pm PT
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Jaytee
I said video.
I didn't mention any yapping by anyone.
Anyone can say anything .....
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Rudder
Trad climber
Long Beach, CA
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:49pm PT
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Dropping in here late without reading first, but "Loose Change" I believe was the name it... was a DVD that came out about 911 a few years ago. Good entertainment... I didn't see it as anything more than that, but I appreciated it as entertainment. Like the movie JFK... a truly great story and movie, IMO.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:49pm PT
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you have to work backwards from facts everyone will acknowledge.
the pentagon and the rest of the heart of washington d.c. is the most protected airspace in the world. there was a lead time of about 40 minutes after the attacks in new york, plenty of time to scramble a horde of fighter jets from andrews afb. nothing--nothing, nothing, nothing--was up there to protect the nation's capital. ever wonder what you're paying all those taxes for, supporting that great high-tech aerospace/defense industry and the most expensive military in the world? on the one day it was supposed to be really doing its thing ...
then we have the complete lack of video evidence. this footage from chris bollyn is not particularly new or impressive. but just think about it for a minute. not only is the pentagon the most protected building in the world, but it's also the most monitored. the government releases nothing in the way of footage from any of its camera monitors. AND, according to all reports, the feebs rush out and confiscate security camera footage from the nearby hotel and gas station. what is there to hide? we can only conclude, plenty.
the CIT is a group of young fellows from orange county who, at their own expense and motivated by the highest patriotism, has made several trips to d.c., interviewing as many eyewitnesses as possible. they have pieced together a scenario which explains the pentagon evidence credibly. the government can't even come close.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:52pm PT
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The 16 foot hole or so is split approx. between the 1st and 2nd floor. Perhaps a little more of the hole is on the 1st floor.
Where is the damage from the massive 40'+ tail stabalizer? Why are the windows still intact with foam on them from the fire-fighters? How does solid go thriugh solid?
Miracles happened on 9-11-2001 violating all the laws of physics that are known at this time. Amazing.
You guys really do believe in fairy-tales. Incredible.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:55pm PT
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Werner
Yapping? Look at the interviews man. Try and find anybody interviewed at that time "yapping" about having seen a missile fly into the Pentagon. For God's sake man, it's just so insulting to the people who died on that plane. If you were joking it'd be in poor taste, but I get the feeling you get perverse pleasure out of this deeply offensive sh#t.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2011 - 09:58pm PT
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Jaytee
Something seriously is wrong with you.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Aug 26, 2011 - 10:02pm PT
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Werner
What do you mean by that? You discount the credible eyewitness accounts available above for you to view, on a thread you started, and think I've got some problems?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Aug 26, 2011 - 10:07pm PT
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The flight of AA flight 77. Do we really know that it ever got close to the pentagon? No.
We known that the following phone call did not happen and could not happen the way the OCT said it happened. Massive lie.
From:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
Could Barbara Olson Have Made Those Calls?
An Analysis of New Evidence about Onboard Phones
David Ray Griffin and Rob Balsamo
06/26/07 - Did AA 77---the flight that, according to the official conspiracy theory about 9/11, struck the Pentagon---have onboard phones? This question is relevant to the possible truth of the official theory, because Ted Olson, who was then the US Solicitor General, claimed that his wife, Barbara Olson, called him twice from this flight using an onboard phone. Full Article
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html
Documents of testimony:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/AA757AMM.html
Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX:
Thank you for contacting Customer Relations. I am pleased to have the opportunity to assist you.
That is correct we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack.
However, the pilots are able to stay in constant contact with the Air Traffic Control tower.
Mr. XXXXXXXX, I hope this information is helpful. It is a privilege to serve you. This is an "outgoing only" email address. If you 'reply' to this message by simply selecting the reply button, we will not receive your additional comments. Please assist us in providing you with a timely response to any feedback you have for us by always sending us your email messages via AA.com at http://www.aa.com/customerrelations.
Sincerely,
Chad Kinder
Customer Relations
American Airlines
6/27/07 - Revolution Radio with host Mike Swenson interviewing David Ray Griffin and Rob Balsamo regarding this article. DRG and RB are on Hour 2, but both hours are excellent. (right click and save target as...)
Hour 1
http://truthorlies.org/06-26-07-Hour-1.mp3
Hour 2
http://truthorlies.org/06-26-07-Hour-2.mp3
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monolith
climber
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Aug 26, 2011 - 10:47pm PT
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Er, um, Klimmer, the tail isn't 40+ feet high. That's the top off the ground with the landing gear down silly boy.
And since it slants back, the lower portion will hit first, tending to destroy it before the top hits.
The 16-foot hole is on the second floor.
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