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apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 31, 2012 - 02:19pm PT

"...independents who know Nevada politics like Ron"

Ron? 'Independent'?

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Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Oct 31, 2012 - 02:27pm PT

The polls say the Independents are going to Romney this year.

They've had enough of this sh#t too, just like everybody else.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 31, 2012 - 02:39pm PT

Your an 'Independent' like I'm an 'Independent'.

Not even close.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 31, 2012 - 02:43pm PT

'researching the crap out of this election,'

Bah! You don't 'research' anything, Ron.

You simply read the whacknut links that your whacknut Repug cohorts send to you, then C&P them here.

Your voter ID card may say 'Independent', but you have your face deep in the GOP's kool-aid trough.

Edit: Take a guess as to what my voter ID card says.

(Good guess!)

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 31, 2012 - 03:01pm PT

Ron, there is a very strong chance that the economy is going to improve in the next 4 years, no matter who wins next week.

If/when that happens, if Rmoney is in office, I'm sure you'll fall right in line with the rest of the jackbooted Repugs saying 'Rmoney fixed it!'

If Obama is in office, there's no doubt in my mind that you'll say 'it's still sucks!'

(I think I'll bookmark this post for future reference.)

apogee

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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 31, 2012 - 03:11pm PT

See what I'm talkin' about, Ron?

Your mind is already made up. It hasn't changed, it won't change. Ever.

That's not an 'Independent'. That's a Droid.

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2012 - 03:15pm PT

Doc, it was obama who made these leaps against the constitution. Rewarding that is insane. If WE speak up, eventually after enough "firings" maybe washington will realize the "gig" is up...

True Ron. Romney hasn't spoken out against it, and is in lockstep with the "kill them all and let God sort them out including Americans citizens who think incorrectly" drone policy of Obama. The only alternative to a jackbooted Obama is Gary Johnson is it knott?

k-man

Gym climber

SCruz

Oct 31, 2012 - 03:18pm PT

Here you go, k-man:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-passes-jobs-bill-with-wide-bipartisan-margins/2012/03/08/gIQAEi6lzR_story.html

John

Thanks John. In your link, I read:

House Republicans voted down an amendment to the package that would have required large publicly-traded companies to disclose how many of their employees are based in this country vs. overseas. In the final vote, 230 to 175, all but three Republicans opposed the amendment.

And ...

Although most House Democrats voted for the bill Thursday, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — who also voted for it — called the proposal “so meager” and much less effective than transportation funding bills being weighed in the House and Senate.

Wow, that is quite an example of a bill that the GOP sponsored to help our middle class... (not)

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Oct 31, 2012 - 03:34pm PT

Actually, it's a rather excellent example of the way the Democrats' leaders feel. Because the bill didn't contain all that Pelosi wanted, we are all to assume that the bill's help was meager? Who's being partisan here?

John

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 31, 2012 - 04:06pm PT

" i arrived at this in nearly four years of consideration."

What a load of Krap®.

I've been in these polititard threads longer than you have, Ron, and my memory of your posts is crystal-clear: from the start, all the way to today and into the future, you've railed on Obama & the Democratic agenda.

Don't know why I would bother to look, but every damn post I can find of yours (and that's a LOT) confirms this.

Don't give me that 'careful, thoughtful consideration' bullsh#t. It's bullsh#t.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Oct 31, 2012 - 04:43pm PT

anastasia posts:

Wait a second here. First of all not "everyone" in "each party" is such a fanatic idiot.

I am a Democrat married to a Republican. We agree not to agree and... We actually do agree on a few things.

We are both...

Pro gun.
Believe in the right to choose when it comes to abortion.
Anti death penalty because it actually cost the state more to have folks in death row, (appeals, etc.)
We both hate Obama care. It does not regulate insurance companies and they are the one's making health care so outrageously expensive in the first place.
We both agree we need a better health system that provides to all, just not this one.
etc. etc.

In the end, we just want a better life and we are all Americans.

I'm very sad to say that your husband is no longer a Republican.

Oh, they're very glad to get his vote, and they don't care how he registers But he is not considered a "real American" by that crowd, anymore than you or I are, and he will NEVER NEVER be allowed to contribute to policy decisions.

He is pro-choice, which means they define him as a murderer (in philosophy, if not in fact), who should be subject to the same death penalty that you both oppose.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Oct 31, 2012 - 04:48pm PT

Ron, serious question:

Does it not bother you that Mitt Romney is a serial, congenital, shameless liar?

I mean over and over and over. Even after called out by the press, he doubles down and continues to tell bald faced lies. The most recent, this week, about the auto companies got so outragelously ridiculous that the CEO of Chrysler stepped up and called bullsh#t. And that's one example of like a thousand.

Steve Benen has been tracking the lies of Mitt in the campaign, and the breadth is just stunning. They are on installment #34 of the series, and each installment typically has 5-15 examples from the week. You can read the latest one and then scroll to the bottom for links to the other 33:

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/14/13865583-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxxiv?lite

These are all sourced with heavily linked supporting documentation exposing the lies.

The guy has a serious psychological problem, he lies more than anyone I've ever been exposed to. It's f*#kin' creepy and sad, and a little infuriating. There was always one kid in grade school who just told whopper after whopper, "my dad played in the NFL and I've got a pet tiger at home"...that's who Mitt reminds me of.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 31, 2012 - 04:56pm PT

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Oct 31, 2012 - 05:04pm PT

No Ron, they are not "half truths". The most recent stuff about the auto industry got both the "Four Pinocchios" rating from the WaPost, as well as the "Pants on Fire" rating from Politifact...both the worst ratings they give. In other words, straight up bald faced lying. Yet Mitt doubles down and continues to run the ads, not caring in the slightest that he is lying to the country and specifically to the people of Ohio.

There is no world in which the ongoing, chronic, shamless, bald faced, LYING of Romney is even remotely comparable to anything coming out of the Obama campaign.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Oct 31, 2012 - 05:10pm PT

Not even a close comparison, Ron.

Sure, both candidates stretch truths....but Rmoney has set a whole new low standard for the sheer number and audacity of them.

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Oct 31, 2012 - 05:14pm PT

If we accept your logic, Ken, neither is Anastasia a "real" Democrat. Believe it or not, there are still plenty of Republicans who think abortion should be legal, just as there are plenty of Democrats who don't think all Republicans fall back on guns and religion, or who cringe at the notion of "One nation under God." In fact, I rather suspect that a pro-choice Republican has more of a chance at being heard among Republicans than an anti-abortion Democrat does among Democrats. Heaven forbid if someone like Joe Lieberman wants to have a voice in the Democrats' policy or, in the last election, in their party at all.

In truth, though, it's the people in the middle who are becoming increasingly marginalized in both parties. Here in Fresno, the environmental left ran a series of ads against a local Democratic congressman whose voting wasn't pure enough for their line. Nationally, Blue Dog Democrats have become an endangered species within the Democratic party, just as moderate Republicans are subject to Tea Party attack as RINO's.

Here in California, the Republicans defined themselves so far to the right of the center that they've made themselves largely irrelevant. Unfortunately, that allowed the Democrats to entrench themselves in the legislature in a way that they were unaccountable to anyone but other Democrats, and have moved just as far to the left of center. Currently, no one speaks for the center.

John

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Oct 31, 2012 - 05:23pm PT

Not even a close comparison, Ron.

Sure, both candidates stretch truths....but Rmoney [sic] has set a whole new low standard for the sheer number and audacity of them.

I'm sorry to read this, apogee, because it reflects, to me, an adherence to partisanship that has come to define contemporary American politics. Perhaps it's just a product of modern journalism that's confused advocacy with accuracy and "investigative reporting" for objectivity. I fear that most people don't even recognize the biases in their information sources any more. As a result, anything that views the world differently becomes a "lie."

I find much of what the supporters of both candidates say to be a lot of half-truths, but it could be worse. The ads for and against the various ballot propositions here in California contain not only half-truths, but quite a few truth-and-a-halfs.

The idea that people feel competent to decide complex issues by 15-second sound bites should alarm anyone interested in rational policies, but that is the current reality. Until some form of journalism committed to objectivity and accuracy becomes so compelling that it commands an overwhelming audience, I see little prospect for improvement.

John

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Oct 31, 2012 - 06:12pm PT

Whatever anybody does, please do not quote Faux News. Come on, even the dog in the street knows the bias this Murdoch-shite channel brings to the party.

For those that want to quote Faux News, there must be more objective media outlets that can reflect your views.

Obama, as McCain would have had he won, inherited a very poison chalice. You just cannot turn around eight years of mismanagement in four years.

Personally, I think two things need to be done. Firstly, get rid of the Electoral College, it's archaic, let the majority vote of the people be the one that decides.

Secondly, let's change the Constitution where the office of POTUS is a one-term six-year office. Too many time have presidents, of any party, used the fourth year of their first office term to campaign. Sometimes to the detriment of the country.

It will take a while to rid the stench of the Dubya/Cheney/Rumsfeld years, if Obama can keep trying, okay. If Romney thinks he has the answers, and he gets elected, lets hope, for the better of the nation, that he has the answers. But somehow, I do not think he does.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. Stats can be used in both arguments, for and against.

I am amused that people think that Obama is a liar, perhaps he is, after all, he is a politician. But Mittens is even a bigger liar. And while politics is a dirty business, the Republicans, to their credit/discredit, have almost perfected the dirty, mud-slinging spin. Touché, on their part.

I certainly feel safer in the past four years than I did in the Bush Jr. years. Financially? Everybody has taken a hit (bar the big boys, politicians and uber wealthy).

Unfortunately, I believe Sandy will benefit Romney, as many of those hardest hit would probably have voted for Obama in the election. I hope that I am wrong and these voters will turn out on election day, despite the misery the super-storm has imposed upon them.

Perhaps it does not matter to some of you, but because the US and its policies affect much of the world, most Irish people (and non-Irish) I have met and talked with, want Obama to win. And it is not the circles I am running in, though I often run circles around myself. ;-).

They are genuinely afraid that Mittens will continue Dubya's administration's policies. To the detriment of both the US and the world. That is my take on it.

At this point in time I believe continuity is important. Obama hasn't done super great, but he hasn't done a bad job so far, collectively.

To all of you Supertopians, vote the way your heart/conscious/mind feels is right. Just vote. I have been to the US embassy and cast my vote.

Whoever wins the next POTUS election, let's hope they do the utmost to help out our country. We need it. The world needs it.

I just hope that those of you who vote against Obama do not do it because of his ethnic background, that you are not "birthers" (ridiculous). Remember the State of Deseret. I don't want that, not that it would remotely happen. But the mindset of it that carries forth to this day is not desirable in my eyes.

Heck what next, a Scientologist being elected prez? Tom or John, step forward.

Okay, perhaps I went a bit over the top on that last statement. In a 'joustful' manner. But no more than those who claim that Obama is a Kenyan. For heaven's sake, get your head out of the toilet and stick it in a pot of strong coffee.

EDIT

And JE, a hypothetical (very) question? Which of the two, Obama and Romney, would stand up against Turkish aggression agains the Armenians? Interesting, no? What does it have to do with the 2012 election? Perhaps, special interests would run the day, or rue it.