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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jan 25, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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Impeachment was the solution to soaking the American tax payers to the tune of 70 million dollars to find out Clinton got blown...Gotta love it when the fiscally conservative republicans whine about the tax and spend democrats...Hypocrites kept in power by their duped followers...
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:22am PT
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cranks dream team....
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:05am PT
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Thanks, Pyromaniac. The more those 2 geeks are in the spotlight the better for Dem's!
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 26, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
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The American Enterprise Institute to America:
"F*#k off and die."
During the health-care debates of 2009, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) brought a poster on the House floor: “The Republican Health Care Plan: Die Quickly.” In the summer of 2012, when Obamacare was threatened by a presidential election, writer Jonathan Alter argued that “repeal equals death. People will die in the United States if Obamacare is repealed.” Columnist Jonathan Chait wrote recently that those who may die are victims of ideology — “collateral damage” incurred in conservatives’ pursuit “of a larger goal.” If these are the stakes, many liberals argue, then ending Obamacare is immoral.
Except, it’s not.
In a world of scarce resources, a slightly higher mortality rate is an acceptable price to pay for certain goals — including more cash for other programs, such as those that help the poor; less government coercion and more individual liberty; more health-care choice for consumers, allowing them to find plans that better fit their needs; more money for taxpayers to spend themselves; and less federal health-care spending. This opinion is not immoral. Such choices are inevitable. They are made all the time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/end-obamacare-and-people-could-die-thats-okay/2015/01/23/f436df30-a1c4-11e4-903f-9f2faf7cd9fe_story.html
Of course the AEI's goals are more about lining the pockets of the rich. As for the poor, let them eat cake.
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stunewberry
Trad climber
Spokane, WA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
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Leonard Pitts in the Miami Herald nails Fox news to the wall:
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article8028834.html
Tucker Carlson said on Fox that more children die of bathtub drownings than of accidental shootings. They don’t.
Steve Doocy said on Fox that NASA scientists faked data to make the case for global warming. They didn’t.
Rudy Giuliani said on Fox that President Obama has issued propaganda asking everybody to “hate the police.” He hasn’t.
John Stossel said on Fox that there is “no good data” proving secondhand cigarette smoke kills non-smokers. There is.
So maybe you can see why serious people — a category excluding those who rely upon it for news and information — do not take Fox, well...seriously, why they dub it Pox News and Fakes News, to name two of the printable variations. Fox is, after all, the network of death panels, terrorist fist jabs, birtherism, anchor babies, victory mosques, wars on Christmas and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. It’s not just that it is the chief global distributor of unfact and untruth but that it distributes unfact and untruth with a bluster, an arrogance, a gonad-grabbing swagger, that implicitly and intentionally dares you to believe fact and truth matter.
Many of us have gotten used to this. We don’t even bother to protest Fox being Fox. Might as well protest a sewer for stinking.
But the French and the British, being French and British, see it differently. And that’s what produced the scenario that recently floored many of us.
There was Fox, doing what Fox does, in this case hosting one Steve Emerson, a supposed expert on Islamic extremist terrorism, who spoke about so-called “no go” zones in Europe — i.e., areas of Germany, Sweden, France and Great Britain — where non-Muslims are banned, the government has no control and sharia law is in effect. Naturally, Fox did not question this outrageous assertion — in fact, it repeated it throughout the week — and most of us, long ago benumbed by the network’s serial mendacities, did not challenge Fox.
Then, there erupted from Europe the jarring sound of a continent laughing. British Prime Minister David Cameron called Emerson an “idiot.” A French program in the mold of The Daily Show sent correspondents — in helmets! — to interview people peaceably sipping coffee in the no-go zones. Twitter went medieval on Fox’s backside. And the mayor of Paris threatened to sue.
Last week, Fox did something Fox almost never does. It apologized. Indeed, it apologized profusely, multiple times, on air.
The most important takeaway here is not the admittedly startling news that Fox, contrary to all indications, is capable of shame. Rather, it is what the European response tells us about ourselves and our waning capacity for moral indignation with this sort of garbage.
It’s amazing, the things you can get used to, that can come to seem normal. In America, it has come to seem normal that a major news organization functions as the propaganda arm of an extremist political ideology, that it spews a constant stream of racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, paranoia and manufactured outrage, and that it does so with brazen disregard for what is factual, what is right, what is fair, what is balanced — virtues that are supposed to be the sine qua non of anything calling itself a newsroom.
If you live with aberrance long enough, you can forget it’s aberrance. You can forget that facts matter, that logic is important, that science is critical, that he who speaks claptrap loudly still speaks claptrap — and that claptrap has no place in reasoned and informed debate. Sometimes, it takes someone from outside to hold up a mirror and allow you to see more clearly what you have grown accustomed to.
This is what the French and the British did for America last week.
For that, Fox owed them an apology. But serious people owe them thanks.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article8028834.html#storylink=cpy
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 26, 2015 - 03:52pm PT
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Say folks: I've discovered a 100% effective way to get hookworm - oops bookworm - to take his fascist crap elsewhere. It's easy...
Just hit him with a fact.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 26, 2015 - 03:57pm PT
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Don't be fooled....booky doesn't go away like that. He's hit & run poster, without much dialogue.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 26, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 26, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
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Any time TGT posts cartoons with young hotties & the word 'vagina' I kinda throw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 26, 2015 - 05:17pm PT
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Apogee: Yeah I guess you're right. He's what we call an intellectual coward up here. It seems that he and his clones are incapable of comprehending what the phrase "common decency" means. It's probably not his fault though, since I suppose his dooshe bagger - oops tea bagger handlers deduct money from his pay cheque every time he is asked to find room in his mind for anything other than moral sewage.
What cracks me up about these guys is that they actually dare to call themselves Christians when their ancestors were the very same arseholes who nailed him to the cross in the first place.
I guess the word "hypocrite" isn't in their dictionaries.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 26, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
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Leonard Pitts should do better research.
How many of the drownings in your link took place in a bathtub? According to the CDC, less than 20% of child drownings are in bathtubs.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6119a4.htm
In 2002 the CPSC reported 69 cases of bathtub drowning.
https://suite.io/jenny-evans/1v7h2k1
Your link shows 167 firearm accidental deaths in 2002.
Looks like Leonard Pitts does OK with research, no?
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:07pm PT
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The clown show is in effect. Have you seen what they are debating during their first three weeks in Congress??
Instead of celebrating what many conservatives had hoped would be a moment to put Democrats on the defensive over the difficult question of terminating late-term pregnancies, Republicans again found themselves drawn into a debate about whether their party was being unsympathetic to women who have been raped.
Some Republicans expressed dismay that they were grappling with a familiar situation: how to fix another self-inflicted political wound. It has been a bumpy beginning for the new Congress. In the House, the year started with 12 Republicans voting against Mr. Boehner for speaker. Last week there was another divided vote over ending legal recognition for immigrants who entered the country illegally, many of them as children. “Week 1, we had the vote for the speaker. Week 2 we debated deporting children. Week 3 we’re debating rape and incest,” said Representative Charlie Dent, Republican of Pennsylvania. “I just can’t wait for Week 4.”
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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WBraun: Brilliant analysis. Are your jackboots nicely shined and ready for the next beer hall rally?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jan 27, 2015 - 05:30am PT
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How many of the drownings in your link took place in a bathtub? According to the CDC, less than 20% of child drownings are in bathtubs.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6119a4.htm
In 2002 the CPSC reported 69 cases of bathtub drowning.
https://suite.io/jenny-evans/1v7h2k1
Your link shows 167 firearm accidental deaths in 2002.
Looks like Leonard Pitts does OK with research, no?
Looks like I jumped the gun on my last post. Not all drownings occur in bathtubs. I am a maroon.
The link you referenced for firearm deaths (167), also lists accidental drowning deaths (1158). You say less than 20% of child drownings are in bathtubs.
1158 x .20 = 231.6
231 vs. 167 ?
How much less than 20% is the CDC talking about?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 27, 2015 - 05:36am PT
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Edward, I don't think you're a maroon. The CDC just had a graph, I would interpolate their graph to be between 10 and 15%. The hard numbers I found for bathtub drownings was the number posted above for 2002, significantly less than the firearm deaths in you link for 2002.
Maybe by basing my thinking on only one year's worth of data I'm the maroon.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jan 27, 2015 - 06:03am PT
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Edward, I don't think you're a maroon. The CDC just had a graph, I would interpolate their graph to be between 10 and 15%. The hard numbers I found for bathtub drownings was the number posted above for 2002, significantly less than the firearm deaths in you link for 2002.
Maybe by basing my thinking on only one year's worth of data I'm the maroon.
I did a little more digging. It turns out ol' Tucker was wrong. The Pitts article was a bit contrived. Carlson and Doocy are morning fluff boys. Their format is mindless drivel. I wouldn't consider lies/mistakes by those two very damning.
Fox News and MSNBC little more than partisan echo chambers. They serve up fodder for their flocks. CNN does better than both.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Jan 27, 2015 - 07:13am PT
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The 1790 children murdered by firearms and the tens of thousands injured by firearms are obviously less important than trying to pretend that guns are safer than bathtubs. Neither Fox News nor its listeners have ever worried about facts.
TE
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