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HighDesertDJ
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Jan 29, 2016 - 10:44am PT
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HFCS posted Story reads: (Subject) "nearly hits an FBI agent."
He DID nearly hit a FBI agent. He doesn't appear to have been intending to. The problem is you are ascribing a tone of blame to the statement instead of hearing it as an observation.
Regardless of whether you intend to or not, if you are driving at a law enforcement road block with the intent to circumvent it and you hit or nearly hit someone you bear the responsibility for that.
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dirtbag
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Jan 29, 2016 - 10:45am PT
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Even if true happie, he should've stayed in the car and not put his hands in a pocket where a gun might be located.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 10:45am PT
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Still carrying that chip on your shoulder, I see.
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dirtbag, at that point he was probably redlined emotionally and ready to die. He had already stated there wouldn't be any cage or cell in his future.
hddj, I agree with your post actually. My post was pretty factual as well. That being... this is how it's done. All part of the roadblock and story writeup strategies.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Jan 29, 2016 - 10:48am PT
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Classic
Everyone see the same thing, everyone says something different.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 10:50am PT
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Delhi Dog's post: True. We can't help putting ourselves in the shoes, from our safe distance.
Oh - yeah, I agree that he should not have removed his arms from surrender position, if he did indeed intend to surrender. Probably more will come out as the investigation continues.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:04am PT
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Everyone see the same thing, everyone says something different.
Yeah, and how much of that is due to inexperience and incompetence?
Put your selves in the head of that agent who traverses into the path of the truck under those conditions.
If I were that agent and intent on "getting my man" like Jonny Utah, perhaps I would've done the very same thing. Knowing the condition of the snow bank, the parts in motion in the milliseconds beforehand, etc etc, all of it.
I'm detecting a sh#t load of naivete here.
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Nature, with all due respect, I suggest watching the video yet again.
The vehicle was clearly moving to "circumvent" the roadblock on the shoulder LONG BEFORE agent "busts" his move to "get his man."
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sR1hGpZQ5U
Freeze the video at 18 seconds.
How could it be more obvious.
If course you might assume the FBI AGENT is a Barney Feif. But how realistic is that?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:07am PT
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We still haven't heard the most recent on the FINAL FOUR, David Fry, Sean Anderson, his wife, and whoever....
Here's a highlight clip of Sean Anderson.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:08am PT
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I think the important thing here is that we all agree to pretend to know what the driver and the agent were thinking and then call each other shitheads a lot.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:09am PT
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Cut off Sean's access to food. Would kill two birds at the same time; He'd be healthier, but too weak to respond.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:13am PT
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If I were that agent and intent on "getting my man" like Jonny Utah, perhaps I would've done the very same thing. Knowing the condition of the snow bank, the parts in motion in the milliseconds beforehand, etc etc, all of it.
If you think the best way to stop a speeding truck is to jump in front of it, maybe your IQ is below 100!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:16am PT
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Not around snow or human nature or moving parts much, huh Gary?
(1) Where is the truck's path at 18 sec, Gary?
(2) Where is the FBI agent at 18 sec, Gary?
Look, I don't know your politics. Or how partisan they are. Or how competent or incompetent you are under such or similar circumstances. But a certain naivete is showing here.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:18am PT
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I did not watch the video...but listened to the report on NPR.
To give the guy the benefit of the doubt, although I really find it hard to believe he wouldn't have anticipated a road block up the road, he came around the curve and had only an instant to react.
Happi, The first vehicle of people pulled over & complied with the cops/FBI and no one got hurt... The second vehicle chose to not comply with law enforcement.. which put a different scenario into play...
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yep, shut off the power and food source to the remaining 4 at the refuge..
Extremists groups suck..
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:19am PT
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HFCS, ever work on a roadway much? Ever had to dodge live traffic? I have.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:20am PT
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Answer the question.
Where is the FBI agent at the 18 sec mark?
Here, I post again for your convenience...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sR1hGpZQ5U
Freeze the video at 18 seconds.
Between 17 and 18 is even better.
At this point everything is telegraphed.
Do you know how to pause the youtube video? At 18 seconds?
Then do it.
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Your Jonny Utah, if his intention was to either... remove himself to an even safer space... or... to deescalate the moment... could have / would have... moved further back ON THE ROAD or TRAVERSED IN OPPOSING DIRECTION.
Get real.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:33am PT
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btw, Survival, that human IQ on average is 100 is also factual. That a third or more of Americans believe in the Second Coming of God Jesus is also factual.
Ad ideam.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 29, 2016 - 11:52am PT
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Put yourselves in the boots of the agents/cops. The guy is clearly not doing what he has been told. I guarantee you they were telling him get on the ground or at least put your hands behind your head. He instead chose to reach for his loaded gun. Their adrenaline is pumping, they are in self preservation mode.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 29, 2016 - 12:00pm PT
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Moose, so true.
And don't astute courtroom combatants take advantage of it all the time. In regards to both innate perceptual differences and inexperience, incompetence.
Truth be damned.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 29, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
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Wait a minute.... what's up with that dress? Looked gold at first... now blue... hmmmm...
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