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monolith
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albany,ca
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Already discussed to death Rong.
The employee knows the employer is now saving money at their expense. If he doesn't make an adjustment to salary or other benefit, they have the free market to find another employer.
In other words, the employee-employer market will make an adjustment back to an equilibrium. Of course this is way over your pay-grade.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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In case you missed it Rong:
In other words, the employee-employer market will make an adjustment back to an equilibrium. Of course this is way over your pay-grade.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Already discussed to death. You seem to be not very well informed.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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How many Electoral Votes are needed for the Presidency?
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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nooo what will happen is a few million MORE will enter the govt voucher system all but crippling doctors, hospitals and the govt debt. Meanwhile joe average will still be paying out the kazzoo if he wants any coverage at all.
There is not one person in Canada that works for a company that doesnt supply health care, just doesnt happen. A company like that just wouldnt survive, the folks that make it successful go somewhere else.
from my point of view these arguments you guys have are CRAZY as sh#t...you dont want health care...makes absolutely no sense???
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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I feel sorry for you guys, no health care is such a hard concept to understand. I cant even imagine not being able to walk into any medical establishment and not get immediate coverage for free, crazy stuff.
Blows my mind
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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It is very different for a Canadian company or organization to provide health care, than for a US equivalent. What's usually provided in Canada is that the employer pays half the employee's medical services premium (+ for the employee's family), which is probably less than $100/month. In addition, the company offers extended insurance - disability, some dental, some optical, possibly something toward prescriptions, perhaps peripheral services (physiotherapy, etc), and some bells and whistles if you're in hospital. Again, usually employer and employee pay half each.
In the US, employer and employee share between them the full cost of whatever insurance is provided, usually totalling in the hundreds of dollars a month.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Thanks, ya I would be surprised if I was paying 50$ a month though, but maybe if you include dental and physio and stuff. Surprising there is anyone who wouldnt want that.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Ron, the tide is going against you buddy, swim hard.
But then, if Mittens gets elected, you will not have to swim hard. You will be drowning. Lap it up, so to speak. Your lungs will be filled with derision, your mind in a swirl of a whirlpool, your body sucked down in the abyss.
Hrr, just gives me the creeps to think of those things.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Norton, regarding the Electoral College, our forefathers thought, at the time, it was a good thing. I suppose so.
But it has outlived its usefulness, if it ever had one.
Democracy. Doesn't that mean that everybody who votes should have a say. So if A gets the popular vote and B gets the Electoral College vote...
... B wins. So much for the popular vote. So much for Democracy.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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i'm sick and tired of OBAMA pissing on the constitution.
ur average democrat thinks he's done great for this country.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Hawkeye you strike me as someone who has been looking up at average his entire life and wondering how he will ever improve enough to become average.
If I am wrong how about you post up what you have excelled at...crickets...crickets...crickets
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Oh, I think your "average Democrat" is feeling pretty damn good right now
their guy is going to win in an Electoral landslide, well over 300 votes
almost as much as the black guy beat McCain and Caribou Barbie in 08
And Romney will disappear from the national scene after next week, and get on with all the important decisions of his private life, like installing car elevators in his mansions
And the Republican party will once again wonder why they lost so bad
and decide it was because they did not go conservative enough
because they just don't get it
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Pyro: i'm sick and tired of OBAMA pissing on the constitution.
Funny, a google 'site:supertop.com pyro constitution 200X' search didn't turn up any complaints from you about W pissing on the constitution from 2003 to 2008 - how is that possible?
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Dear Red States:
We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we've decided we're leaving.
We in New York intend to form our own country and we're taking the other Blue States with us.
In case you aren't aware that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of the Northeast.
We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).
To sum up briefly:
You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ol' Miss.
We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs.
You get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.
With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.
We're taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.
Sincerely,
Citizen of the Enlightened States of America
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Dee ee, I don't think that I can add to your post. Brilliant.
But as Dr F wrote, the knuckle draggers just don't get it.
As much as I love my country, sometimes I think it might be a good idea to split it like you suggest.
Let the red-neck pansies have their lands, us open-minded people will have ours and live a better life than the Reds, who will be wallowing in the gutter.
EDIT
Pyro, so Obama has pissed on the Constitution, so say you. Could you give us some examples, and by the way, perhaps you can open your mind enough to also give examples where Dubya and his gang pissed on the Constitution. Oh, I forgot, you are blinkered.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2012 - 09:36am PT
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Pyro said: "i'm sick and tired of OBAMA pissing on the constitution."
To which Patrick replied: Pyro, so Obama has pissed on the Constitution, so say you. Could you give us some examples, and by the way, perhaps you can open your mind enough to also give examples where Dubya and his gang pissed on the Constitution. Oh, I forgot, you are blinkered.
Read upthread Patrick, or just start here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/awlaki-killed-american-cl_n_988929.html Do you feel that teh murder of US Citizens without due process because of thought crime is acceptable? How about their kids sitting in the car next to them. Their death was no accident.
Anyone have the feeling that Romeny, with a belief in Jesus, will not be murdering American Citizens for thought crime? I don't. He's already said he supports and will continue the drone war that Obama has expanded and ramped up. Can you show where Congress, who are suppose to be the ones approving or disproving wars, has approved that action Patrick?
● Obama violated the Constitution with his “recess appointments” while the Senate was not in recess. It is up the Senate to decide when it is in recess, not the president. That distinction between executive and legislative authority is what the Separation of Powers doctrine is all about.
● Obama is an obvious participant and co-conspirator in Eric Holder’s approval and later cover-up of the illegal “Fast and Furious” gun-walking program. Unlike the Watergate case, people have actually died as a result of this illegal program.
● Obama undoubtedly has knowledge of and has approved Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano’s project to require Border Patrol management to falsify apprehension numbers on the southwest border. This is a clear violation of Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution, which requires the federal government to protect the country against foreign invasion.
● The president’s open refusal to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act is a violation of Article III, Section 1 of the Constitution, which does not authorize the president to choose which laws to “faithfully execute.” The oath taken by a new president on Inauguration Day does not say, “… to defend the Constitution of the United States… to the best of my ability except when I disagree with it.”
● Obama’s HHS violated the First Amendment by requiring employers to cover contraceptives, abortifacients and sterilization in the health insurance they provide their employees, despite their religious and moral objections. He later shifted the mandate to the insurance companies, requiring all plans to cover such services, thinking Americans would not understand that the mandate still requires faith-based groups to subsidize services to which they have sincere religious and moral objections.
● The Obama administration violated the First Amendment when it refused a grant to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops for helping victims of human trafficking obtain food, clothing and access to medical care because of the Conference’s pro-life position. In fact, the Conference was refused the grant despite having received higher scores of effectiveness than the grant’s recipients.
● Obama told the Department of Justice not to defend the Defense of Marriage Act, which was passed by a bipartisan Congress. Instead, the DOJ argued against the valid law (which has been upheld by multiple courts), forcing the House of Representatives to hire outside counsel to defend the law. This gross abrogation of a president’s constitutional duty to defend and protect the laws of the land was unprecedented.
● Obama signed Dodd-Frank into law, which allows the government’s seizure of property, violating the Due Process Clause of the Constitution and creating administrative positions that are not vetted by the Senate as required by the Appointments Clause.
● When the Democrat-led Congress would not pass net neutrality, Obama’s Federal Communications Commission violated the Constitution by contravening Congress to restrict the freedom of Internet service providers to manage their network transmissions.
● When the Democrat-led Congress could not pass cap and trade, Obama’s EPA decided to auction greenhouse gas allowances, essentially imposing a tax on emissions, which, according to the Constitution, can only be done by Congress. You will also recall Congress having to act to halt the EPA’s ban on incandescent light bulbs.
● When the Democrat-led Congress did not pass the Employee Free Choice Act, Obama contravened Congress by pushing the NLRB to pass regulations that allowed for “ambush elections” and required employers to provide employee e-mail addresses and phone numbers to union organizers.
● When the Democrat-led Congress refused to pass the Dream Act, the Obama White House and DHS decided to implement a policy of granting illegal aliens stays of refusal, which is essentially amnesty by fiat. The Obama policy even gives local immigration officials the authority to dismiss deportation cases against illegal alien criminals convicted of violent crimes.
● Without the approval of Congress, as required by the Constitution, Obama ordered the U.S. military to attack Libya.
Before anyone gets their panties in a twist with the "YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT BUSH"...riff: I agree, but note that Bush ain't President now and has no chance of being one. Check it out.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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It was not set up as a Democracy.
It was set up to be a Federal Republic. I know we have not been taught this, but it is the case. If people keep wanting to change the Constitution just come out and say it.
We should start a thread here about the Constitution and I bet we would "all" found out how ignorant we are as to what is really in it.
Has anybody posting here studied the Constitution. We seam to leave it up to Scholars and Politicians to do it for us, perhaps we should all require ourselves to do it instead of expecting someone else to tell us what is in it. Speaking for myself here as well.
The United States government is a federal republic set up by a Constitution adopted in 1787 by a Constitutional Convention; The federal government consists of three branches--executive, legislative, and judicial--which operate according to a system of checks and balances against each other and checks on their power set forth in the Constitution to protect the individual
Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution states:
“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Wait Rong, I thought you said "Fast & Furious" WAS Obama's "Fast & Furious".
But then I suppose even you realized that was a lameass Bush job.
So eventually you may find that your Benghazigate BS in wrong and you are a hypocrite.
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