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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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A law sold as the Affordable anything Act fails if the price increases for anybody.
The whole thing was built on a foundation of bullsh#t.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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A lot of people are saying they can't afford the mandated price increases.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Even if it increases for some, that SOME can "AFFORD" it...
What complete and total bullsh#t. How can someone be so ignorant to tell me what "I" can afford?
700 dollars for bullshit obamacare a month is affordable?
That is a quarter of my total income. I have about 2000 dollars a month to pay for mortgage and bills. Now I have a700 dollar healthcare bill to pay and you say I can "afford" that?
So in your mind I should have to sell my house, reduce my bills by living at the poverty level so that I can afford some healthcare I neither need or want?
Well I'll just go ahead and say what everyone in my age bracket from the ages of 27 to 35 is going to tell ya... Go F*#k Yourself!!! I ain't paying it.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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There's no way anyone could know at this point if the new policy is a net negative for anyone. It hasn't even gone into effect.
Got a wake up call for you. I work for a Fortune 500 company. Our health care providers held a benefit conference the other day. Our premiums will go up 44%. The deductibles will sky rocket.
This is a turd that was never read and passed by a congress that is already opted out of it.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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I don't drink that trash nor will I pay for it which is part of the reason why I can afford to live in a moderate middle class neighborhood in my area and live in the bottom bracket of middle class. I've fought my way and busted my ass, all the while making good decisions that have allowed me to get here. Sorry you missed the boat. But you should have put down the climbing rope and picked up a shovel a little more often.
...but what I can't afford is to go out and buy a sporty car and shell out the $700 a month payment on top of all that. Which is why I don't have one. It would be an irresponsible thing to do. It would put me over my budget and deep into the red which is what obamacare is trying to do.
So all the ACA does for me is put healthcare out of my reach and turn me from someone who was happily insured, into someone who no longer has health insurance. Good job dumbasses!!!
Obamacare = Set to FAIL...
Edited to add:
That you may have difficulty affording to make your house payment cannot be blamed on "Obamacare"...
It was your choice to purchase the place that is costing you so much...
What a completely asinine statement. Yes! I chose to buy the house I did, but what I did not choose was to purchase healthcare at a 700% higher rate than I currently have, by having Obamacare shoved down my throat.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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I am not a particular fan of the Heritage Foundation, and consider them culpable in the shutdown fiasco, but they at least have also published their health care plan...
Uh, the Affordable Care Act is a Heritage Foundation healthcare plan.
Curt
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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$700.00 per month for coverage that would cover prescriptions as well???...
Hmmm...
Hahha good luck with that!
So many are
Gonna DIE!!!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I agree, Curt, which is yet another reason why I don't see how Heritage can take the position on the shutdown they took with a straight face.
John
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Affordable Care Act is a Heritage Foundation healthcare plan. Curt
Curt,
I have read where Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation wrote a 4 page document on healthcare but I haven't seen it. Maybe a link to what you're referring to, it could be informative.
The ACA document is about 35,000 pages long. Explains why most people, myself included, don't know squat about it. At least we're slowly finding out.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Slowly finding out it's really the,
Unaffordable Healthcare Tax
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Jay Leno had the best line:
"More than 700 fake ObamaCare websites have been created..It's simple to identify the phony sites though because they are easy to log on to"
6 Signups on the first day?? This has to be the most stunning failure in the history of the "Progressive movement". If Obama would have come out on October 1st and just said they had completely forgot to create a Healthcare exchange, and they need another 3 years, they might have saved face somewhat.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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I can't believe how you pinkos can keep carrying water for this guy.
I cant believe there is even one person who actually wants to keep anything remotely similar to the third world health care system you used to have.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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I doubt there is a fix.
A corrupt for-profit health care system just does not work.
When I rolled into work today at one of the six large hospitals for a city of 100000 I couldn't find parking. Maybe a thousand cars at a hospital?? Why? I have been asking myself the wtf question for years. This is a place of illness, why the hell are all these people here?
Funny how other sector of the economy that is not coddled and subsidized by Government works very efficiently, even though it is all "for profit". Without Government subsidies, cronyism, regulations that keep us from buying cheaper drugs and services (like Medicare Part D), Healthcare would be a much more efficient market, in which profit seeking executives would have to lower prices in competition. If you want to see how it would look, simply look at the services that aren't covered by insurance or subsidies, such as Lasik. The technology gets better every year, and the price comes down. THAT is a "for-profit" system in a nutshell.
Ahhhh the evils of profit! Every job I have ever had has been because someone wanted to make profit. In an efficient market, free of stifling regulation and cronyism, profit comes from adding value- that means that to get it, you have to provide a service that makes someone even more money than they are paying you. This is where wealth actually comes from - not from Ben Bernanke's printing press.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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I cant believe there is even one person who actually wants to keep anything remotely similar to the third world health care system you used to have.
Welcome to Obamacare, 4th World Healthcare for the 21st Century!
We "used to have" a pretty good healthcare system when I was a kid. What happened to it? Government, that is what. Look at this chart of Government spending on Healthcare vs. GDP:
Government spending has skyrocketed as they have taken over Health care, which correlates strongly with the amount of dysfunction.
Personally, I think having socialized medicine would be much better that what is happening now, as Government could at least set rates. Throwing money at the private sector distorts the market, and creates dysfunction. This is exactly the same path that Education has followed also.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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People stopped dying when they were 65.
Life expectancies have barely changed since the 60s, and most of it is attributable to lower infant mortality.
I have heard from a nurse that Canada does not treat people over 70 for certain things like heart attacks? Not sure if it is true, but since 2/3 of the Health Care spending in the U.S. is for "end of life", it seems like it would definitely cut costs.
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WBraun
climber
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Human being number one needs is oxygen.
Next is food.
Next is health care.
Without those you can't live.
Thus the material body is the source of all misery.
Why you people so miserable .....?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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The design for the ACA was one of conservative, Republican origin.
all the more reason to oppose it then
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