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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Apr 22, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Apr 22, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 22, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
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Bundy is a POS...period. The same a-holes defending him are the same ones who whine about the government giving lunches to kids in schools.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Apr 22, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 22, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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What!!!! Bundy is a liar? Say it isn't so
No worries though, one of the resident right wingers can yell
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and everything will be fine.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:01pm PT
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LOL ......
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:13pm PT
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No significant part of the Virgin River is in Arizona.
Hunh?
Never climbed there, but I've driven though a place called Virgin River Gorge, and heard there are some climbs. Probably too easy for this crew though.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
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Hawkeye, the right wingers fought for King George III, just so you know.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
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corresponding todays right wing with that in 1776 is idiocy...
yes they should arrest bundy....
but the idiots on both sides of this are the real story of this thread.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:23pm PT
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Gary wrote: Hawkeye, the right wingers fought for King George III, just so you know.
No he doesn't know...he just post emotional bullshit like TGT, Chaz and Ron.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:36pm PT
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High Traversse! That was very interesting reading. Bundy has certainly piled lies on top of lies, and his supporters keep sucking up his lies like candy.
Both your links are interesting, but the second sums things up.
An abbreviated look at rancher Cliven Bundy's family history http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25302186/an-abbreviated-look-at-rancher-cliven-bundys-family-history
I also enjoyed this response to the above article:
I'm an attorney and actually hold a post-doctoral degree in the field of "Law and Govt" and you wouldn't believe the number of Tea Baggers that try and tell me that I have no understanding or knowledge of the Constitution on a regular basis. Most of them clinging to ideas and notions, which when I cite a specific Constitutional provision to rebut them, reduces them to reciting gibberish and unable to cite a single case or provision within the Constitution which supports a single thing they say.
I especially get a kick out of those who think they're so clever by calling people "low information voters" yet who turn around and cite something from the Declaration of Independence as being a Constitutional provision or who completely mangle the English language and spelling conventions confusing such terms as "secede" and "succeed" and who don't have the foggiest notion that the present Constitution is actually the second Constitution to have ruled the United States. (Hell, most of them think the Constitution was drafted in 1776.)
But yep, the lot of them do appear to think of themselves as being Constitutional Scholars. I often think of that great "ONION" headline'article entitled: "Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be"
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:37pm PT
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Why weren't the cows and the Bundys and Bundy-ites gassed, like is supposed to happen at these affairs?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
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Our new weapons platform.
Look out you LiberTardAryans we Libtard peacenic tree huggers are coming to get you. We are loaded for bear. Potato cannons with high power pot muffins and an atomized LSD crop sprayer. You dumbestic turderists are in for it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Apr 22, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
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actually hold a post-doctoral degree
Where do you hold it and what is it? I hope it isn't called a PPhd.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 22, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
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Look at all you smarty pantses with your facts backing up your position! You don't seem to realize... none of that matters... Bundy doesn't recognize the Federal Gubbermint's right to own land.
Checkmate!
Bundy wins because idiots are willing to point guns at govt officials... govt officials who are too busy being tyrannical to wipe their tea bagging idiocy from the face of the earth.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 22, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
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Send them all to GitMOO.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 22, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
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Basically, he has no legal standing whatsoever. He knew this 70 years ago, and he knows it now.
His cattle are trespassing, another key legal point. The only way he has to worm out of this is to say that the land is his due to adverse possession, but you can't adversely possess federal land.
Base, I have no idea how much property law you know, but I have some doubts. (And I doubt Bundy knew anything 70 years ago--is he even that old?)
Without carefully dissecting your post, I see at least a few odd comments.
"Standing," in the legal sense related to federal courts, doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Bundy clearly has "standing" in this dispute--if he didn't, he wouldn't have been a litigant, at least for long. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law); for a brief explanation.
Re: adverse possession--as I understand it, Bundy never claimed to have acquired any of the relevant land by adverse possession. So while your point that one can't acquire federal land by adverse possession is correct, it's also irrelevant. He does claim some sort of "grazing rights"--I have no idea if that claim is good (I'd guess it's not), but that's not the same thing as adverse possession. (It may be somewhat related by analogy, perhaps a type of easement or encumbrance or whatever, but it's not the same thing as AP.)
In any event, a failure to record an interest in property (when required) has interesting legal effects, but generally the effect is on subsequent purchasers of the land who take without notice of the claim. For example, if you sell me your house, with a deed, and I don't record it, I may be screwed if you then sell it to someone else who doesn't have notice of that (depending on the laws of the jurisdiction at issue and possibly other factors). But I still own the house, as between you and me. What does this have to do with the Bundy dispute? Jack sh#t as far as I can tell--just pointing out that you didn't "crack the case" as you seem to think.
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