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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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Escopeta, your post really doesn't make any sense. Land ownership has nothing to do with breaking the law (other than possibly deciding who has jurisdiction).
I would prefer land to be public because when a rancher tells you to leave, it is illegal. If he owned it, it wouldn't be. Most US citizens do their best to avoid carrying out vigilante justice.
Troll!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Well, I wasn't the person that connected those dots so don't blame me. It doesn't make any sense to me either.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Right. And liberals are simply the bastions of freedom. Lol
Look at history and tell us who has done more to promote personal liberty in this country.
In 1776 American conservatives wanted to hang the Founding Fathers.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Cliven Bundy's address......Such fun!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Gary, legislating freedom is nothing more than government by waiver. You've been duped into thinking that a government that outlaws everything and then feeds a little back to you is a surrogate for being free. You just happen to like the feel of their handcuffs better. For the moment....
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Right. And liberals are simply the bastions of freedom. Lol
Darn tootin'.
Liberals are all about embracing diversity...
except when they're not.
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dirtbag
climber
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Then go to Burns and join up Esco. Quit bitching and do something.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Escopeta is channelling Ron.
But go lie down was a good line, ha!!
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
Feb 2, 2016 - 07:01am PT
Right. And liberals are simply the bastions of freedom. Lol
Really genius? You just talk nonsense. Liberals secured the freedom of this nation, the freedom to own property, the freedom of representation, the freedom of government lands, the freedom from slavery. I could go on all day.
Remind me of the freedoms that were conserved willingly?
Escopeta is Greasy Dave the Occupier
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Oh, you must be one of those people that think classic liberals hold even the slightest resemblance to the people that self-apply that title today. Pfft.
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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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So, the government is bad at managing land and protecting its citizens. Tell us your alternative.
I personally imagine that everything would be privately owned, covered in no trespassing signs, and things like hunting or climbing would be possible for fees of around $100 a day if you picked a budget spot (A day climbing in Yosemite, more like $1000). I imagine it that way because that's how it is in places where public land isn't common. Check out some prices for East River South Dakota pheasant hunts.
You want arguments to be settled by who has the faster draw or the harder punch? Are you an Anarchist?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Here we go again. The classic "government as a binary construct" argument.
If you advocate for even the slightest bit of more freedom you must be an Anarchist. Like government is some mystical faucet where you can only have it fully on or fully off.
I would be thrilled if we just stemmed the tide, much less actually returned some individual liberty. Pick any number less then 100% and that's all I want.
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dirtbag
climber
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If you advocate for even the slightest bit of more freedom you must be an Anarchist. Like government is some mystical faucet where you can only have it fully on or fully off.
You're the one playing that game.
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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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so what the heck do you want? the government to give away some percentage of land it owns? I don't get what you're advocating for.
The government to keep owning land but manage it in a way that is more in line with what you like (more logging and ranching)?
As far as the police stuff, maybe we can just leave that be since it is a whole separate discussion.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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OK, Escopeta, tell us, was it conservatives who worked for women's suffrage? Was it conservatives who worked to repeal poll taxes? Were the Freedom Riders of the sixties conservatives? Were conservatives leading the charge for marriage equality? Inter-racial marriage?
I'm just wondering where in the gradual expansion of personal liberty in this country conservatives led the way.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Cliven Bundy's address......Such fun!
Nita, now be nice!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Gary,
Perhaps you're so entrenched and well versed in your "conservatives vs liberals" rhetoric that you missed an important part of my post.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Here we go again
Just drop it then Ron.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Boxing up a bag of dicks for Cliven Bundy's address right now.
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