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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2012 - 11:59am PT
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A high altitude version of the cables on Half Dome.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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May 21, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
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A disgrace to the mountain.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 21, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
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Ron...Don't give up hope..... .Home depot is having a sale on 40 ft. aluminum ladders....RJ
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
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Exactly the problem Tami- hyper motivated people without much, or any, climbing experience. It's all okay until the wind picks up, clouds begin to roll in and............
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 21, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
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and......Your 40 ft. werner won't extend and you forget your enzyte at basecamp...
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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May 21, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
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Comparing guides to Whores denigrates all whores everywhere. Lets stop with that kind of thing right now OK?
Jim said: "the Nepalese are some of the poorest people on Earth and whatever they due to keep life and limb together is okay with me. I am talking about the First World guides and guide services who have many other options available.
Never said anything about trying to ban guiding on Everest, that would be an exercise in futility."
Concur on the Nepalese part. BTW, if someone or anyone wants to fork over any amount, be it $60,000-$75,000 to climb a mountain, have at it.
Why should I care?
...ANYONE?
......Filed under "things white people argue over"....LOL
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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May 21, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
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Well, I guess part of the objection to the idea that anyone with 50-100K can go is that they potentially put other folks in danger. Guides/sherpas/teammates/rescuers.
And that introducing that much money into the equation biases decision-making for those people and their paid guides.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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May 21, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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They pay lots for "lots" in the highest acreage on the planet.
Location, location, location.
Too bad they couldn't have spent more time alive than dead enjoying the views from their boutique biers.
They are called guides, but why even pay 'em if you won't follow their guidance, unless of course you are planning on shorting your way to the top.
Ron with it, Ron: A prize-winning rant is always great to hear.
Unless you're the target. Well-said, Ron.
Ron top of the world, look out below!
"Rock!"
"Ice!"
"Epithet!"
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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May 21, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
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explorersweb.com says:
The National Geographic/North Face team—Conrad, Kris, Sam, Emily, Hilaree, and Mark—
has just set out on a full ascent of the mountain. They anticipate a summit
window around May 25.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 21, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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Ron...was that in lappland...? RJ
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 21, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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"......Filed under "things white people argue over"
Isn't that ST's raison d'etre?
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pFranzen
Boulder climber
Portland, OR
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May 21, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
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That's just absurdly busy.
The first time I climbed Mt. Hood it was a busy day and I doubt there were more than 30 or 40 people at the summit.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
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Is the North Face Team going to have a cow catcher out front when they encounter the hordes?
edit: Thanks Dingus, I'm familiar with the book.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 21, 2012 - 05:05pm PT
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It must be hard to find clean snow to melt for water. Yuk.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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May 21, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
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And a guy died during a lap dance at a strip club.
lap dances are immorally defensible
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 21, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
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still cant comprehend what that possibly looked like. Unfortunately we all can but are too horrified by the mental image to try to describe it.
I'll have a go at it anyway.
I see about 50 parkas with O2 masks huddled at the foot of the Hillary Step awaiting their arse-freezing turn as the sun dips towards Pumori and ChoOyu, with 50 more descending the Step. Crampons in faces, on fingers and slicing ropes.
Guides yelling at other teams' clients to Bugger Off. Sherpas doing their da**dest to keep the clients alive.
50 on the top, all wrestling to get a picture that doesn't include the other 49. Snarl of O2 hoses, gobs of ZnO2 sunshield. People half crawling back across the South Col after dark searching for their tent among the sea of flapping nylon.
A dozen or so struggling back down the E. Ridge desperately trying not to step over the edge.
Guides trying to count their chickens to see if they're all accounted for. Radios squacking and bleating.
Wait till they try to descend from the Col tomorrow, exhausted and frostnipped or worse, with 50 more struggling up.
in three syllables: Cl*stF*
or Apocalypse.
Brueghel or Dali
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2012 - 06:18pm PT
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Question- with the apparent current mob scene on Everest, why would any self respecting climber even want to be there? Sure, if you're a peak bagger wanting the glory or if it's your job you'll put up with the mayhem.
For me Everest (by one of the trade routes) is the polar opposite of why I love alpine climbing. I climb mountains for the following reasons, among others:
technical difficulty that isn't prepackaged and sanitized
exploring new terrain
problem solving- route finding and selection, dealing with evolving situations/conditions
communing with the natural world in a wilderness environment
practicing self dependence in a potentially dangerous environment
sharing the adventure with (one or two) equally committed partner/s
The current situation on Everest is as far removed from these reasons as any form of "climbing" could possibly be.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 21, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
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Is guideing any kind of large wilderness group moraly defensible?
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