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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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You can now play a Counterstrike map scenario: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=598715073
A group of heavily armed patriots known only as "Vanilla Isis" have decided to launch a rebellion against their tyrannical government! Using their brilliant tactical mind they chose their first target: a mostly unoccupied bird sanctuary and wildlife refuge. After about 2 days of holding this territory from the feds they have unfortunately run out of vital supplies like slim jims,energy drinks and beer. In an act of desperation for more supplies they have taken a couple of orange jumpsuit wearing bird watchers hostage. Now with human lives at stake the feds have been forced to respond.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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I think the chief is back........
With better grammar .......lol.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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All the "quote" marks reminds me of madbolter1 who was a genuine PITA in my opinion.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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No coincidence that the abrasive escopeta is rich. The typical a-hole factor in american wealth.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Gary, legislating freedom is nothing more than government by waiver. You've been duped into thinking that a government that outlaws everything and then feeds a little back to you is a surrogate for being free. You just happen to like the feel of their handcuffs better. For the moment....
E, if you think America is so terribly free of freedom, feel free to leave.
The outer parts of Siberia may be more to your liking. No law, no services, nobody.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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If you advocate for even the slightest bit of more freedom you must be an Anarchist. Like government is some mystical faucet where you can only have it fully on or fully off.
I would be thrilled if we just stemmed the tide, much less actually returned some individual liberty. Pick any number less then 100% and that's all I want.
If you were actually a long-term resident of the country (A REAL American), then you'd remember, like me, when we recited prayers at the beginning of PUBLIC school. Amazingly, only prayers of a particular type.
If you were actually a real American, you'd remember when the house I live in had a restricted covenant prohibiting sales to "coloreds" or jews.
So, yeah, I am thrilled at how liberty has been enhanced over my lifetime, and continues to be so.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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If you were actually a real American, you'd remember when the house I live in had a restricted covenant prohibiting sales to "coloreds" or jews.
Still there today, just not as blatantly codified.
"one nation under god ..."
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Escopeta is refreshing...He asks the pressing questions that no one can answer...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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OK I'll bite.
Advocates of freedom aren't welcome here?
Who is Ron?
Is this another situation where Craig fry will have to save me from the likes of the suppertopo liberal elite?
What am I missing?
And that has relevance to the way government property is managed how?
I gather you would have been comfortable rubbing Janet Reno's feet while she drove the tank into the nursery area at Waco then?
After seeing the outcome, are you still confused about why he wanted to get away?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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zBrown- Advocates for freedom are always welcome. But if your answer for everything is "because freedom" or "because liberty" then you might not be the articulate advocate for freedom you imagine yourself being.
Additionally, one person's freedom is another person's regulation. The vast majority of "political correctness" (a term that has virtually lost all meaning) is the assertion that people outside of the traditional American mainstream be treated in a reasonably inclusive manner. Many people think "freedom" means being able to speak and act in a way that knowingly or unknowingly disparages huge portions of Americans. Those "freedoms" are at odds with each other.
Spiny- love the Star Wars ad. The tagline is perfect.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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zBrown- Advocates for freedom are always welcome. But if your answer for everything is "because freedom" or "because liberty" then you might not be the articulate advocate for freedom you imagine yourself being.
Huh?
You're free to ask Escopet. I'm not gonna read any farther back.
Imagine? A song by John Lennon.
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dirtbag
climber
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Making arguments in terms of "you're either for government tyranny or you're for freedom" gets old fast.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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There are a lot of people in the U.S. that have been conditioned to ask for permission before they are allowed to do even the most basic things. Essentially they are forced to justify all the ways they might want to act, or do, or not do.
I prefer the approach that affords people to live their lives how they see fit as long as they respect the equal rights of others.
I would like to see personal liberty be the presumption and we force the people that want to limit it to provide the justification rather than me having to justify why I should be allowed to do something. That requires constant care and attention. Instead most people are focused on using government as a weapon to limit others freedoms, vs protecting their own.
The Republican and Democratic parties have both contributed to this conditioning.
Want to smoke pot, marry your cat, own a gun, start a new small business, send emails or surf the web in private? We are asked to prove why we need such dangerous freedoms.
Instead of laws telling us all the things we can't do (so many that there is no way to count them all) how about we pass laws protecting what we can do? In the absence of that, .gov expands to fill the void.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Want to smoke pot, marry your cat, own a gun, start a new small business, send emails or surf the web in private? We are asked to prove why we need such dangerous freedoms.
Which country do you live in?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Marry your cat is a bit of a stretch. But stil signifies a desire on my part for government to get out of the business of marriage completely. Including all the social engineering that accompanies it.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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ok Escopeta, now you have posted something thoughtful so I take back my earlier remarks. i see where you are coming from, on the other hand, i don't understand this relates to Malheur WLR.
I prefer the approach that affords people to live their lives how they see fit as long as they respect the equal rights of others.
with regards to this statement, unfortunately people do not respect the equal rights of others. we have religious wackos who want to inflict their religion on others, we have users of federal land(which should be all ours) who repeatedly misbehave and trample on others rights and that of course is why some laws get into effect.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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What kind of cat?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Hawkeye +1
fear, lol
we have users of federal land(which should be all ours) who repeatedly misbehave and trample on others rights and that of course is why some laws get into effect.
Exactly. Escopeta totally read into my previous comments about a rancher on BLM land. Again, I never advocated for more govt. land, or called for more fed law enforcement to be everywhere to deal with the rancher. I merely said that it pissed me off that he trampled on the rights of my family to be on our public land. I didn't try to take my family on a hike through his living room, we went to clearly marked BLM land. That was it esco, that was the entire point.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Hawkeye,
The Malhuer discussion morphed and broadened so I put that response here since this is where I was accused (again) of not conducting the exchange properly. To which I would direct the reader to several others right on this page. Plenty of examples of gov overreach in the Malhuer case directly or indirectly relevant to my comments. However...
Despite the ridiculous claims of some of the mouth breathing retards on here, I am far from advocating Anarchy, with no laws.
As John Locke eloquently stated, "where there is no laws, there is no freedom". I firmly believe that liberty includes being free from restraint and violence not only from other citizens but also the ruling party/government.
The rule of law is but one cog in the wheel of freedom. When you say people want to inflict their religion on others? If that means advocating for their life choices, then they should be free to do that (just as I should be free to tell them to pound sand). Were you referencing something more specific? Legislation?
Being free is a dirty business. I fully recognize that. But I feel it's a better Choice than our current state or path. We have lots of freedom here, make no mistake but we aren't protecting it well and I want more.
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