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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Oh fer kerist's sake...
The Malheur stand-off is pizzling down so now we're stoking the embers from the flare-up here? We need a term for this - something like as "Armchair Mountaineering."
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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It's time to bust out the coveted Supertopo War Fighter Medal!!
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Bill Mc Kirgan
Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Things are getting pretty dicey here
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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The Malheur stand-off is pizzling down so now we're stoking the embers from the flare-up here?
This has become the Escopeta thread of unfounded opinions, knee jerking self defense and hard blowing (and that's just me). It has therefore become irrelevant (in my nonobjective opinion) to the thread topic.
I have no doubt that Escopeda is a very interesting and charismatic guy in person but I find him otherwise here.
Hey, I have a good idea, lets start a new thread about climbing.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Escopeta: Great job of cherry picking my posts. Perhaps since you're such a dispassionate seeker of the truth, next time you could take the trouble to post some of the comments from those poor innocent people that I've been so mean to.
Yeah - I tend to get pissed off when I take the trouble to post verifiable information or considered opinions which get ignored &/or elicit nothing beyond an insulting reply. Pyro is pretty well at the top of my list, since I'm still waiting for him to at least ONCE post a response that would be considered a the kind of comment that could rationally be expected to originate from an adult.
My comments that are aimed in your direction are fair observations considering the opinions you espouse.
And, yes, referring to you as you condescending is a perfectly reasonable statement.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Also in the same article Survival referenced, is this quote:
A militia group that had previously converged on Burns by the dozens had planned to shake things up Saturday, but backed down.
A Facebook post of BJ Soper, a founding member of the Pacific Patriots Network, said the group was going to escort the holdouts from the refuge. But Soper learned that the occupiers said they were resigned to die and that attempts to remove them would be met by force.
Soper said he didn't want to put the volunteers in harm's way.
If the four losers remaining at the refuge have decided to become martyrs for the cause, they can join the legion of the stupid & dead. I would much rather see them arrested, thrown in jail, worked through the courts, and serve time; but revolutionaries do have a special zeal for dying pointlessly.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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When they run out of snacks in a month, dying for the cause may seem less attractive. That's my guess.
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Norton
Social climber
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anyone know if they shut off the heat, water, electricity at the building?
Little Debbie snacks still holding out?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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James Brennan: Since you were too dumb to understand the earlier lengthy explanation I provided at the time, I'll give you the short version. Let me know if any of the words are too big for you:
We were fully qualified for membership in the union that was on strike. We were neither warned of the upcoming labour disruption (in which case I might have considered calling in sick) nor were we offered the opportunity to join the union. We would have been fired if we refused to cross the line, and would not have qualified for unemployment benefits or even welfare.
If that strikes you as unreasonable behaviour or the slightest crime against the working class, then go piss up a rope, jerk.
P.S.: I haven't the faintest idea where your palsied brain got the idea I was working as management at the time.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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James Brennan: At least I'm not delusional.
The facts exist as I FIRST stated (and then repeated) them. I haven't the faintest idea what on earth you are talking about.
Please try to stay in at least occasional contact with reality.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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It's starting to sound like Stewart isn't as different form the Matheus Occupiers after all. He's willing to make a stand but when the rubber meets the road he will back out and crawfish the fellow man to get his own ends.
Interesting.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Escopet! Re your post:
---like Stewart isn't as different form the Matheus Occupiers after all. He's willing to make a stand but when the rubber meets the road he will back out and crawfish the fellow man to get his own ends.
I like you more when you start making misspellings & typos. Have another drink & post some more. We have a place for you on the Friday Night Posting While Drunk Thread too!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Yeah, the dreaded iphone auto correct. Sorry to disappoint you. I don't drink and I certainly don't do drugs. So you won't find me on that thread.
But you're welcome though, since I still fight for your right to get drunk and high even though I find it personally offensive.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Escopeta! I also support your right to be sober & drug free.
A friend of mine used to be married to a woman who was sober & drug free, or at least that's what she believed, after waking up from her frequent binges.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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That's awful. Too bad for her.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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James Brennan: Are you retarded?
Any responsible labour union is aware that that there is a difference between workers crossing a picket line to fill jobs that are performed by union employees and those who are working on jobs that were performed by non-union labour both before and after the strike.
Responsible unions aren't so STUPID as to expect non-union members who have been refused membership in their labour organization to happily starve themselves to death so that they can get a pay increase.
Oh, and the poor guys on strike who wouldn't let us join their union already made more money than us and had a job to return to regardless of how the strike worked out.
I fully support the right of unions to organize and bargain for better wages and benefits. Unfortunately, some of these organizations are unions in name only - like the one we were dealing with.
I do not support anyone, union or management, who expects a complete stranger to impoverish themselves without at least attempting to offer them an inducement to do so, which in this case would have been membership in the union.
Escopeta: What a breathtakingly ignorant comment. Those heavily armed thugs who took over a Federally owned refuge committed criminal acts against land owned by the citizens of the U.S. - or, more accurately, the Paiutes. They deserved everything that happened to them.
Not one single person was harmed or inconvenienced by our behaviour, and not one single responsible union supporter could possibly justify expecting us to lose our jobs under those circumstances. The purpose of organized labour is among other things, to organize the unorganized. We were not permitted that opportunity.
I proudly stand by my actions and see no hypocrisy in my actions.
Oh - Escopeta: I am willing to stand by my beliefs - On one of many demonstrations I participated in, I was among a small group of peace demonstrators who held our ground (after the others had fled) when we had three fully charged fire hoses pointed at us. Fortunately for us, the authorities finally decided to adopt less brutal tactics to end the confrontation.
Don't you dare accuse me of being unwilling to defend the principles that I live by.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Fritz...The memorial was torn down...? You working the adopt a highway section north of Burns...?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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rottingjohnny! I did work overtime for a few years to clean up small boxes full of Christian literature that were wired to Idaho Historical markers around Choss Creek. After 3 years & about 20 removed boxes, the Christian Box dude finally gave up on Choss Creek, as a good place to leave literature.
Not that I'm oppossed to good Christian road-side shrines.
I just don't think terrorists deserve one.
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