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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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James Brennan: You pathetic idiot!
At no time did I EVER say that. Are you drunk? At NO time did I ever state that I was management. I was a construction labourer at the work site when this happened.
You owe me yet another apology, you bloody fool.
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franky
Trad climber
Black Hills, SD
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This thread took a weird turn somewhere back.
Not quite as weird as that time a bunch of loonies decided to take over a Fish and Wildlife Service refuge because they were mad at the BLM. Some will say they didn't accomplish much, but assembling the largest collection of dildos and lube that Harney County, OR has ever seen is not an insignificant thing.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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James Brennan: What in the HELL are you talking about? I clearly explained what happened TWICE and you're still too dumb to accept reality.
I have not misrepresented a damn thing I said, and I would admit it if I had.
You're welcome to misrepresent the truth any way you like, but try it on someone else.
AND
By the way, you don't know what the hell you're talking about even with your comments about closed shops. To explain what a double moron you are, here's how it worked in the only closed shop I was extremely familiar with - the BCGEU:
Prior to it becoming certified as a union in (if my memory serves me correctly) 1974, membership was voluntary, and under something called the Rand Formula, those who had elected not to become members were permitted to continue to opt out of union membership.
AFTER the union was certified, new employees who became a part of the bargaining unit were required to join the union as a condition of employment, which when you think about it, it isn't a terrible deal what with the wages and benefits.
IDIOT. Twice.
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franky: You're absolutely right, and my apologies. I have no idea why this delusional jackass came after me like this.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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I think (This intro means I have no expectation that you will agree with me and I only present these concepts as food for thought.) a simplified interpretation of the whole public lands issue might be that over the years the Federal government position has changed in response to public opinion changes. This is what government in a democracy is supposed to do. (There goes another opinion; your silence will not be interpreted as agreement) The public and regulatory concept for land was "productive use" until the environmental movement in the 60's or 70's changed both the public and regulatory vision to protection. So instead of trying to convert every square inch of the land to productive use, we now try to save what is left of wild lands and even to revert some low production land back to wild land. The Bundys are trying to keep very low production land in production when it does not seem to be financially feasible to do so.
I'm a 4th generation Idahonian (even though I now live in California). Idaho is littered with the remains of many family homesteads (including those of my family) that turned out to not be financially feasible. Some of these homesteads have been swallowed up by big corporate type operations but a lot of them have simply been abandoned as far as productive use goes. In many areas the old farm houses and barns are gone, the families are gone and the land is fallow. When I was a kid, we played in empty houses and barns that are no longer there. Most of the people realize that they need to innovate and adapt as the world changes. The Bundys would prefer to live in some mythical past.
I have lived in Harney County. Harney County is huge and has a lot of land that is not viable for productive use that I think would be better as wild.
This is a very long read and also just food for thought:
http://n-continuum.blogspot.com/2014/01/21-signs-of-online-destructive.html
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Escopeta: Great job of cherry picking my posts
Hehe, you guys are still calling him "Escopeta".
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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johnboy: I could sure think of a lot of other things to call him.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Your emotions just control you don't they?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Escopeta: What are you talking about? Is it because I don't approve of heavily armed morons trying to overthrow the U.S. government?
Thanks for always being a condescending prick.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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When you can't reply with substance, overpower it with emotion.
Maybe you should take a field trip down there and evict them yourself if you're so upset about it.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Soon to be jailed. . .
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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escopeta = shotgun in Spanish. OK if we call you Shotgun from now on?
OUR government will deal with the revolutionaries you appear to support.
Unfortunately, it's almost always the followers you appear to root for, like the four left at Malheur, that end up under the tank treads.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Escopta: Let's see you dazzle us with the substance of your opinions - substantive as in supported by objectively verifiable sources.
I'll be eagerly awaiting your scholarly citation of the names of credible commentators who feel that "freedom" is better served by mobs of heavily armed thugs in thrall to the 1%ers instead of the existing Democracy so many hundreds of thousands U.S. citizens gave their lives to defend.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Let's get the feds out of there, they don't belong in our states
shit like this sorta makes me miss dubya shrubnuts. pure unadulterated self-parody.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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This question was pretty well settled at Gettysburg and Antietam.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Oh yeah Fritz. I'm really pulling for the retards in Oregon. It's breaking my heart over there <eyeroll>
I just find it funny how riled up you guys get and then say "oh, let the government deal with it". Vote harder!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Stewart posted Escopta: Let's see you dazzle us with the substance of your opinions - substantive as in supported by objectively verifiable sources.
That's not really his thing.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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I just find it funny how riled up you guys get
Identifies self as troll.
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overwatch
climber
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Blasted onto the ST scene with all the discrimination of a sawed off, another expert at everything under the sun.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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This thread took a weird turn somewhere back.
Not quite as weird as that time a bunch of loonies decided to take over a Fish and Wildlife Service refuge because they were mad at the BLM. Some will say they didn't accomplish much, but assembling the largest collection of dildos and lube that Harney County, OR has ever seen is not an insignificant thing.
And there was something about cats too... something, well, intriguing.
*And for the record, I am NOT drunk...
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