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couchmaster
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 6, 2013 - 11:04am PT
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Well, in Oregon, there are about 140,000 less people who do not have healthcare than before the law went into effect. They got their cancellation notices but nothing available to change too.
Here's NPR's take on via Hot Air: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/05/npr-oregons-exchange-might-actually-be-doing-worse-than-the-federal-site/
Says the Oregonians bungled it worse than the Feds. I'm fully covered from before, but I feel for the folks gonna have to pay out of pocket for any major hospital visits.
By anyones yardstick, having 140,000 with less folks with insurance makes it worse than a "bad rollout with glitches" it makes it disaster. Why were people who had insurance cancelled before they could sign up on the .gov site?
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peladob
Mountain climber
Mason City, Iowa
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and the media seems to be doing BHO's damage control.
objectivity is out of style, i guess, if you are a 'news' agency.
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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I'm all for a national health insurance plan. I hate to see what jello and others are going through and am willing to pony up within reason. But Obama's plan is a turd. He just won't admit it and keeps spinning the BS.
I honestly think it's way too soon to tell. The healthcare.gov website is certainly a disaster, but that doesn't mean the underlying product is bad. Obama probably shouldn't have said "you can keep your plan if you like it" but I also think that's being overblown by his critics. As others have noted, most of the plans being cancelled were "scam" type plans, collecting premiums and not providing adequate minimum coverage to policy holders.
Curt
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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Curt, that ISNT being overblown.. Obama said that in EVERY SPEECH he gave on the ACA.
Again, it's been well documented that the vast majority of policies being cancelled were scams. I'm not sure why anybody would have a problem with that.
Curt
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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We used to fire presidents for such things back when we had some ballz..
Inconvenient Fact= No president to date has been removed from office via the impeachment process.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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I thought you we're going to pay for your sex change out of pocket?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 6, 2013 - 11:07am PT
We used to fire presidents for such things back when we had some ballz..
Inconvenient Fact= No president to date has been removed from office via the impeachment process.
Weve been through THAT before Wade. MANY have been through the impeachment process and some left over that very "this or that" offer.
Congressmen have recently been recalled in COLO too.
How many more lies will it take for some of you??? Yes repubs lie,, but you can NOT deny the fact that obama does it on a regular basis.. You ALL heard him say RED LINE in his speech.. Today he tells us "I DIDNT SAY RED LINE" Really????
Inconvenient Fact= No president to date has been removed from office via the impeachment process. (BTW- this is a documented, proven fact. unlike your claims that the president lies 'on a regular basis.') Have a good Day Ron.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
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Inconvenient Fact= No president to date has been removed from office via the impeachment process. Have a good Day Ron.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Whatever is wrong with our healthcare system, at least we're not this bad
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VENEZUELA_SICK_HEALTH_CARE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-06-00-10-00
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The country's 1999 constitution guarantees free universal health care to Venezuelans, who sit on the world's largest proven oil reserves. President Nicolas Maduro's government insists it's complying. Yet of the country's 100 fully functioning public hospitals, nine in 10 have just 7 percent of the supplies they need, Natera said.
The other nearly 200 public hospitals that existed when Chavez took office were largely replaced by a system of walk-in clinics run by Cuban doctors that have won praise for delivering preventative care to the neediest but do not treat serious illnesses.
The woes are not restricted to the public system.
Venezuela's 400 private hospitals and clinics are overburdened and strapped for supplies, 95 percent of which must be imported, said Dr. Carlos Rosales, president of the association that represents them.
The private system has just 8,000 of the country's more than 50,000 hospital beds but treats 53 percent of the country's patients, including the 10 million public employees with health insurance. Rosales said insurers, many state-owned, are four to six months behind in payments and it is nearly impossible to meet payrolls and pay suppliers.
Worse, government price caps set in July for common procedures are impossible to meet, Rosales said. For example, dialysis treatment was set at 200 bolivars ($30 at the official exchange rate and less than $4 on the black market) for a procedure that costs 5,000 bolivars to administer.//
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
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Nixon bailed like the chickenshat crook that he was.
No president etc....
Have a good day, Ron.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Interesting post, Larry. I expect future posters to ignore it, sad to say.
John
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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what is Chavez's problem with just selling enough on the world market to solve those problems?
anyone know?
He's dead?
Curt
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Even Ralph Nader lambasted ObamaCare today. That says something.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I don't know how true this is but Nader said the Canadian legislation totalled
13 pages while the ACA was 2000 with another 2000 worth of regulations.
And they wonder why they can't get it straight?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Norton wrote:
What is (was) Chavez's problem with just selling enough on the world market to solve those problems?
Maybe the problem isn't as simple as money.
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