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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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jghedge, are you so lazy that you could only be bothered to read the headline? or is it a comprehension problem?
You are the "moran"...
From the SECOND paragraph of the article...
"What happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages? And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to -- to give this function to our law clerks? Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?" Scalia asked Deputy Solicitor General Edwin Kneedler during Wednesday's health care reform hearings.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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So it is a comprehension problem.
Good luck with that.
Not gonna waste my time explaining plural forms of personal pronouns.
Moron.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So how come you guys are ignoring the fact that this country's greatest
champion of 'the little guy', Ralph Nader, thinks the ACA is a pile of crap
as it is written? Is he off his rocker, does he not get it? Come on, tell
Ralph he isn't for the little guy any more.
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storer
Trad climber
Golden, Colorado
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Look, I'm on Medicare and so should you be. Did you ever ask yourself why you aren't?
Why isn't your wrath directed to me who has Medicare? Give me one good reason why you don't have it?
You get hit by a rock some dummy above knocks off and then you will understand the picture, quickly enough.
Many of us more informed people wanted a single payer system, like Medicare, but we're struggling to even get this which is a big improvement over the unregulated, rip-off insurance market we had before even though it will still still make the insurance companies rich as before.
I look at this as a baby step to national healthcare, to bad we have to go this slow but the obstructionists (Republicans, Tea Party, anarchists, etc.) are a POA and it PO's me mightily.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Talked to my ex-insignifcant other and her monthly bill went down 75 dollars from what she paid before the ACA...She said the Cover California program wasn't that hard to navigate...? However , she said Blue Shilled keeps bumping their policy up 10% every year...So what's with all the whailing and gnashing of teeth...?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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no more will this happen to people
As long as you can pay the premiums and deductibles, assuming you work in the private sector. If you are a public "servant", no worries; there is a magic cash resource; taxpayers.
Why is congress and the executive branch excluded and have their own health and retirement plans which we pay for? Pretty much every government employee has their health care and pension fully funded for life at nearly zero cost to them; the taxpayers foot the bill.
Let them eat cake seems to be the plan forward. The gooberment no longer looks to serve the population, but looks to force the population to serve them. Until the government sector applies the same rules to themselves as they mandate to the private sector, it is a cash grab and pure BS.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Dave Kos wrote:
and the ACA is a huge compromise.
What was the ACA vote in the Senate and in the House?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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What was the ACA vote in the Senate and in the House?
60-39 and 219-212.
Why?
Curt
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Gubmit workers do not get their health care paid for life, and it's my experience that it was on par - if not a bit worse - than benefits I've received elsewhere. I do admit, it was far better than the 8 years or so of my life when I had no health insurance.
In Cali they do.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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[quote]Because they work for an employer that provides health benefits. The fact that the employer is the gov't is irrelevant. ObamaCare benefits are for poor people, like Food Stamps are, not for people with good jobs, like gov't workers.
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no, it is not irrelevant. the difference is my employer needs to make a profit and is passing the cost of this BS to employees. the gooberment just raises taxes and sucks us dry rather than passing the cost to their employees. meanwhile I am also being required to fund "poor people" Do you really think all this money is magically produced?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Ah - I'm speaking of federal gubmit workers. I should have been more specific. Thanks for that clarification.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Look, I'm not against a federal health care plan; I'm for it. I just think this is a cluster and is a veiled form of wealth redistribution which in the end will only benefit the government money grab and will have no true benefit to society.
I've busted my butt to make a living and be financially self sufficient. I was never able to spend 5 weeks in the alps or tramping around asia. Instead I worked my ass off and have saved all the money I can.
Now it is being taken away from me to fund a boatload of people that never looked at the big picture.
edit: What I'm saying is that there needs to be a level of personal responsibility. I have no problem with chipping in to help people out. But I don't see why the gooberment should have the ability to pick my pocket for idiots that have not taken responsibility for their actions.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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jghedge wrote:
It takes 2 to compromise, right?
Curt wrote
60-39 and 219-212.
Why?
jhgedge,
That's my point, there was no compromise.
Curt,
Because by definitions I know of, there was no compromise.
an agreement or settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/compromise
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WBraun
climber
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Hedge -- "Do you think congress and the executive branch should be on Food Stamps as well?"
Yes, they should all be fired and made to work digging ditches in lion cloths.
These arrogant fat asses need to be humbled.
They're irresponsible.
It's time for a REAL change .....
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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jghedge wrote:
It's called "democracy". You're free to move somewhere where there isn't any. Plenty of choices.
Back in the day, right wingers used to say "America, love it or leave it".
To paraphrase on old baseball player: Just like deja vu all over again.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Digging ditches would suit the fatt asses right but making them wear lion cloths is cruel and unusual punishment...
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Yes, they should all be fired and made to work digging ditches in lion cloths.
These arrogant fat asses need to be humbled.
They're irresponsible.
It's time for a REAL change .....
Werner, well stated. They are truly irresponsible and should be held accountable. Instead the dumb shee voters keep voting in the incumbents.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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jghedge wrote:
Yes of course - Venezuela - because citing any actual comparably developed democracy would disprove your point.
Thanks for making my point by doing that.
I'm not trying to make the point you think I am. I am not passing judgement on any healthcare systems in Canada or Europe because I know nothing about them. The point I was making is the underlying funding, whatever type of healthcare system there is. Another point I will make is that a successful capitalist society requires ethics.
You made a blanket statement about "other countries". I was just being persnickety with the sweeping generalization you made and reposted the link on Venezuela. It is a story worth pondering. You never know what lessons can be learned.
I do respect your faith and passion that the ACA will be successful. I don't share that faith, but I hope for the best.
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