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Betelnut
Mountain climber
So. California
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Aug 30, 2011 - 12:38am PT
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Easy to see why O.J. walked reading this conspiracy nonsense. Must be slow in the Valley these days.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2011 - 11:15am PT
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"Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation," von Bülow said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events.
"Journalists don't even raise the simplest questions," he said, adding, "those who differ are labeled as crazy."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Aug 30, 2011 - 12:33pm PT
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No reason to argue about AA Flight 77 and cell phones or phones at all.
We already have come to the truth on the matter. The FBI told us in trial . . .
"trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” which (of course) lasted “0 seconds.”9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone."
FBI: 9/11 cell phone calls from jets did not happen
http://www.zimbio.com/Ted+Olson/articles/6gELkGlBsd7/FBI+9+11+cell+phone+calls+jets+not+happen
There was an obvious stand down order coming from VP Dick Cheney.
When they didn't shoot down the fast craft approaching the Pentagon when they fully knew it and the military personnel under the WH bunker was counting down the distances with plenty of time to prevent it, and then asks Cheney if the orders still stands?, and Cheney says "They still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
Well, the craft was never fired upon. It was allowed to strike the Pentagon. The order given was a stand down order. Plain and simple. No other explaination is possible.
911 Commission - Trans. Sec Norman Mineta Testimony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Mineta and the secret orders of Cheney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGI5BmNd7AE&NR=1
American Intelligence General, General Stubblebine Says 911 was a fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slEM9aaLkYA&feature=related
General Stubblebine NOW, Lives in Latin America, in Remote area, [ WHY ?] was the top of USA intelligence gathering when he retired, He is the highest ranking retired General to investigate on 9-11.
And LISTEN to what he said, but was not reported by our American Media, but by Foreign Media, note the German Sub-titles. Americans are getting perpetual LIES spoon fed to them.
This retired General tells you truth. He has no reason to lie after a lifetime of service to the USA:
Pentagon not hit by a plane
WTC 7 brought down by Explosives
MEDIA is controlled
Onto the 9-11 Commission . . .
Truthers ask hard questions of Senator Bob Kerry, member of the 9-11 Commission, at an ESRI ARCGIS conference he was giving a speech at (ESRI the makers of the best GIS software in the World), with Jack Dangermond the CEO of ESRI standing near by. 9-11 Truth happens where ever you are . . .
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey finally confesses 9-11 Commission could not do it's job - Part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrqq2KxyWAs&NR=1
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey finally confesses 9-11 Commission could not do it's job - Part 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fczMuxtOEU8&feature=watch_response_rev
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey finally confesses 9-11 Commission could not do it's job - Part 3 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJWBcWAeAw&feature=player_embedded#!
9/11 Commissioner and ex Senator Bob Kerrey from Nebraska was asked at the end of this video and mentioned “We are dealing with a 30 year conspiracy” and claimed there was not enough time to properly investigate all the data.
He admits the truth of the conspiracy of 9-11 even reaches back all the way to the truth of the assasination of JFK. Amazing admonitions.
My President that they assassinated told us the truth . . . and they hated him for it. He was perhaps one of the last great Presidents of our Country.
JFK telling us the 911 truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnpujfanUM&feature=related
RFK to Johnson: "Why did have my brother killed?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWNDPx4Pm0&feature=related
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Aug 30, 2011 - 12:39pm PT
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Let's not forget this very recent news . . .
An Explosive New 9/11 Charge by Richard Clarke (OT)
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1578896&msg=1578896#msg1578896
Coming up to the 10th Anniversary, it comes as no surprise to me and many others throughout the World who have really looked deep into the truth of 9-11-01, regardless of how painful it is:
LIHOP at a minimum, MIHOP at a maximum. I think some aspects of 9-11-01 were LIHOP, and then many aspects were MIHOP. It was both. So I think we really have LMIHOP.
Just look at what has happened since 9-11-01. Who has benefited? Who has gained? The Military-Industrial-Spy-Intelligence-Complex. Corporations. Bankers. Those who would want to bring about the NWO with authoritarian governments run rampant, and the purposeful weakening or potential loss of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The severely weakened economy and the lose of many jobs and the attack on the American Middle Class and everything right, noble, and that purports to be about treating others with respect, and treating others with dignity, and treating others as you would want to be treated, "The Golden Rule" as Christ taught us, all of this works to the same very dark and sinister means, motive, and opportunity.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x620176
An Explosive New 9/11 Charge (CIA tried to recruit 9/11 hijackers—then covered it up-Richard Clarke)
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 07:28 PM by kpete
Source: The Daily Beast
An Explosive New 9/11 Charge
In a new documentary, former national-security aide Richard Clarke suggests the CIA tried to recruit 9/11 hijackers—then covered it up. Philip Shenon on George Tenet’s denial.
Aug 11, 2011 8:47 AM EDT
With the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks only a month away, former CIA Director George Tenet and two former top aides are fighting back hard against allegations that they engaged in a massive cover-up in 2000 and 2001 to hide intelligence from the White House and the FBI that might have prevented the attacks.
The source of the explosive, unproved allegations is a man who once considered Tenet a close friend: former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, who makes the charges against Tenet and the CIA in an interview for a radio documentary timed to the 10th anniversary next month. Portions of the Clarke interview were made available to The Daily Beast by the producers of the documentary.
In the interview for the documentary, Clarke offers an incendiary theory that, if true, would rewrite the history of the 9/11 attacks, suggesting that the CIA intentionally withheld information from the White House and FBI in 2000 and 2001 that two Saudi-born terrorists were on U.S. soil—terrorists who went on to become suicide hijackers on 9/11.
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Clarke says it is fair to conclude “there was a high-level decision in the CIA ordering people not to share information.” Asked who would have made the order, Clarke replies, “I would think it would have been made by the director,” referring to Tenet
Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/11/september-11th-anniversary-richard-clarke-s-explosive-cia-cover-up-charge.html
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In a written response prepared last week in advance of the broadcast, Tenet says that Clarke, who famously went public in 2004 to blow the whistle on the Bush White House over intelligence failures before 9/11, has “suddenly invented baseless allegations which are belied by the record and unworthy of serious consideration.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62083444/Joint-Statement
Weird. This article from Vanity Fair
reference the same two guys but implies they received Saudi assistance. See p. 7.
They were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, both Saudis, both experienced jihadis—holy warriors—though still in their mid-20s. They entered the country through Los Angeles International Airport as early as January 15, 2000, with scant knowledge of the English language and zero experience of life in the West. The 9/11-commission report declared it “unlikely” that the pair “would have come to the United States without arranging to receive assistance from one or more individuals informed in advance of their arrival.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108#
The CIA insisted to the 9/11 Commission and other government investigations that the agency never knew the exact whereabouts of the two hijackers, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, inside the U.S.—let alone try to recruit them as spies.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/11/september-11th-anniversary-richard-clarke-s-explosive-cia-cover-up-charge.html
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Aug 30, 2011 - 12:48pm PT
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It all matters.
Massive crimes were committed against the US and the World in our name.
Our freedoms are at stake.
These massive evil, immoral, heinous, corrupt false-flag operations done by people without souls, who aren't even voted into office and perpetuate endless War and War profiteering for their own selfish gains have to be stopped.
These criminals need to be brought to justice.
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monolith
climber
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Aug 30, 2011 - 01:00pm PT
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Airphones were designed to work with the European system, the freq pairs and protocols were not compatable with what existed at the time in most of THIS nation.
Jeebus, you are dumber than a rock, RockJox.
We had airphones in the US. I flew on planes with airphones, even made a call on one. If those planes had no airphones, then the airlines, maintenance personal and flight crews are in on the conspiracy.
"sush, don't tell anyone those planes did not have airphones", LOL
Here are the airphone records for Barbara Olsen including FBI reports.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Barbara_Olson_calls
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 30, 2011 - 01:37pm PT
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monolith is an illuminati agent
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monolith
climber
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Aug 30, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
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Sux, doesn't it RockJox. There you are claiming airphones didn't work in the US.
It doesn't get any dumber than that.
You should dump the bottle RokJox, alcohol is eating away at your brain.
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 02:03pm PT
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Why do you people believe a one or two 6th-hand, dubious-quality, supposed eyewitness or expert or whatever reports from random internet blogs, instead of (for example), FIRST HAND reports from people right here on Supertopo?
For example, a brief and incomplete list from this tiny, miniscule thread ALONE yields:
TWO FIRST-HAND reports from people right here on SuperTopo that:
a) yes, indeed, cell phones can, do, and did work on airplanes in 2001.
b) seeing an actual airplane crash into the actual Pentagon.
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 02:17pm PT
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A) actually, it was possible. I, personally, made several phone calls from planes in summer of 2001, usually to check voicemail, and sometimes to tease/freak someone out, and was taught to do it by a colleague. It wasn't difficult, and it worked maybe half the time. This is backed up by DMT, right here on Supertopo. The reports saying it is "impossible" are highly, highly flawed, and just plain wrong.
B) Yep. Read the thread again. Two people chimed in. Don't remember who. Every single one of you conspiracy nuts did an awesome job of totally ignoring both comments. TOTALLY IGNORING!! It was really impressive, the ignoring!
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 02:52pm PT
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These things HAVE been laid to rest.
You people keep digging up the old graves.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 02:56pm PT
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as far as airphones go, the initial reports were that the calls were made mostly on cellphones--far less obtrusive in the presence of those bad-guy hijackers. a.k. dewdney, a prominent canadian scientist and longtime questioner of 9/11 "facts", did these same personal experiments around 2003 and found no possibility of making contact above 5,000 feet. this was on commercial airliners, not on top of peaks in the rockies with a straight line to banff. cellphone technology has improved since then, so it's easier to make contact in flight, although you're still not supposed to.
the common perception of all that may have changed now--it's quite a slippery slope the disinformation people have to tread, back-revising the news of the day. they love to gang up on simple facts with heavyweight "experts". rest assured that the comprehesive NIST report on building 7 was made by a native of india who came here to study engineering and who, i'm sure, was motivated by the highest patriotic interests to clear the good name of america, which did nothing but pave his way to success at the top of his field. i wonder what a hungrier home-grown engineer would have found. there are a good 1,000 of them signed on to a petition to investigate. the government itself threw up its hands for several years at explaining the building 7 collapse until they got this little gang of toadies together. you need imagination to cook up a fantasy that a single column--they even gave it a number--could collapse a grid structure framework like the key log in a logjam.
there is great faith in the short attention span. you've got building 7 all explained away, then some sumbuck comes up with light poles broken the wrong way at the pentagon. you get a few experts to testify that, yes, the partial vacuum behind an airliner could've got them to flip the wrong way, and then someone starts harping about all the market trading in put options for american and united before the attacks--just the sort of thing the CIA was developing software to detect, only here it was so obvious you didn't need software. then you get those little fires put out with wall street experts ("no big deal" they all say--and who are we to question experts?) and someone starts talking about microspheres of iron in the WTC dust.
the genius of this industry is that everyone forgets about the last thing that was talked about as soon as the next thing comes up. all you have to do is read a supertopo 9/11 thread to understand that.
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monolith
climber
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:00pm PT
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Engineers at our primary Maintenance & Engineering base in Tulsa tell me that they cannot find any record that the 757 aircraft flown into the Pentagon on 9/11 had had its seatback phones deactivated by that date. An Engineering Change Order to deactivate the seatback phone system on the 757 fleet had been issued by that time... It is our contention that the seatback phones on Flight 77 were working because there is no entry in that aircraft’s records to indicate when the phones were disconnected.
John Hotard, Corporate Communications, American Airlines
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:00pm PT
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I did some personal cell phone experiments in 2001, and found it was pretty easy to make calls. I'm 100% sure of the timing.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Aug 30, 2011 - 03:10pm PT
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Assuming there was some grand conspiracy what was the point? What would we do about it anyway? Anyone who could pull something like that off is way smarter and more diabolical than any of us.
I think the real cover-ups are of the gross incompetence of various federal agencies, largely arising from their own petty turf wars.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 30, 2011 - 04:48pm PT
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cloe, I am curious about the high-altitude cell phone calls you made in 2001.
Interesting to say the least, considering all that's been written saying how difficult it would be to make them (did anyone other than yourself say "Impossible?").
Where were you flying? Do you remember what type of plane (I know, this is probably a difficult one to answer). I am not saying you couldn't have made the calls. I'm just wondering the circumstances that allowed you to make these calls, when it's obviously been a big point of contention in the Official Story.
cheers
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Aug 30, 2011 - 05:00pm PT
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actually, there is very little saying that making those calls is "impossible"... something like a total of 2 sources, both with heavy conspiracy bias.
And LOTS and LOTS of people saying is is possible. Seriously, lots.
What kind of plane? Actually, that's easy... usually (but not always), I flew Southwest, who only uses 737s. Between Albany, NY/Manchester, NH -> Las Vegas, or Albuquerque. Mostly ABQ-> Las Vegas.
Not sure why that all matters, probably depends more on cell phone tower configurations, sun storms, network load, etc... Why does my cell phone drop calls in my home in the evening but not usually in the early morning? I have no idea.
(oh, and fwiw, the person who taught me this trick and felt less guilty about using it worked for the government, which had extensive contracts with American Airlines. I remember him complaining about not being able to choose the airline on occasion. Not that it should matter anyway.)
I also remember lots of flights with those in-seat phones, which come to think of it, I haven't seen in a while... and keep in mind, I STARTED this job in Jan, 2001, so if the phones had been removed prior to Sept, 2001, I wouldn't have many memories of flying with them. In fact, when I heard of in-flight 9-11 calls, I too assumed in-seat phones since they were so ubiquitous.
I also flew ~10 days after Sept 11... and I'm pretty sure I'd have noticed a lack of in-seat phones THEN. Everyone was completely freaked out and staring at each other - could he be a terrorist? - the flight was about 15% full, and I decided the best weapon I had was my laptop (smack somebody in the head, ouch!). I was definitely thinking about contingencies, and a lack of seatphone would have been very obvious.
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monolith
climber
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Aug 30, 2011 - 05:28pm PT
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^^Yep^^, nearly all calls on airphones. Only 2 confirmed cell calls, and they were at low altitude on flight 93 in a known cell phone corridor.
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