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Hebrews 1:3
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I am like an ant on a beach
Or a bug on a wall?
Hubble Captures a Collection of Ancient Stars
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/ancient-stars.html
Psalm 39:4 “Lord, make me to know my end,
And what is the measure of my days,
That I may know how frail I am.
5 Indeed, You have made my days as handbreadths,
And my age is as nothing before You;
Certainly every man at his best state is but vapor. Selah
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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...let's get back to your very advanced aliens with godlike abilities, moosiedroolie. i find some compelling evidence for this myself.
You may want to think so, but in reality there is no scientific evidence even vaguely broaching 'probable', let alone"compelling".
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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there has been much speculation about whether medvedev was joking. it's interesting that his reference to men in black seems to have nothing to do with the string of spielberg movies, but a serious russian documentary by that name which was released last month, which is linked on michael salla's report. you might take a look at that, moose--it's subtitled with english, but there's a lot more that's being said that wasn't translated.
if you're still back there with daniken, you have a lot of homework to do. i would recommend beginning with jacques vallee's books. incidentally, vallee has reported a conversation he had with spielberg during the time of producing close encounters of the third kind, a movie which inserts a character, a french scientist, as a tribute to vallee and his disciplined ufological investigations.
vallee has taken a differing view of what most of the world considers visitations, interference and harrassment of ETs from other star systems. he finds the material identical to what we have from folklore and mythology, and has speculated that it's some sort of built-in "discipline" to the human milieu. at the very least, it involves other dimensions and "spiritual" aspects which our modern science cannot engage.
"you're probably right," came spielberg's reply at the end of a very weighty conversation. "but this is hollywood, and people want to believe in ET, and i'm going to give them what they want."
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dirtbag
climber
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Some people just naturally gravitate towards kookery.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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you and healyje get on my case like flies on sh#t, dirtbag. remember, when it comes to flies and sh#t, that the attraction does not reflect well on the flies.
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dirtbag
climber
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Chemtrails, aliens, and illuminati (oh my)!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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it's probably worth noting that this very thread was begun by jim donini, who loves to come onto chemtrail, illuminati and other off-topic "nonsense" and scold supertopoans for not posting enough about climbing. somehow, he couldn't live by his own rules. admit it, dirtbag, you're fascinated by the sh#t, like any self-respecting housefly out there.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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we call it an alpine start. i don't suppose you need those in the tatras. :-)
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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you must first interest me in your material, moosedrool, which you have thus far--how can i say this gently--failed to do.
how would you do that? by exhibiting knowledge of things i'm not aware of. but you're a little ahead of the stoning committee in that department.
apart from my interest in these subjects, i'd very much like to improve the nature of discussion itself on supertopo. the posting of photos, links, extended quotations and the like can become quite burdensome when it's done in lieu of a directed discussion. reference is one thing, but expecting everyone to click and read--so they can think exactly the way you do--is quite another.
the best way to melt through the mess is to put things in your own words. the more you understand the material, the better you're able to do that. yes, i've been an editorial professional, so i've honed those skills, but i think the convenience of computers makes people lazy.
i believe you've come lately to supertopo, so you may have missed the notorious ark-on-the-moon thread by klimmer, going on three years ago:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1156814/The-Massive-Ark-on-the-Moon-very-OT-but-of-high-interest
this is something i paid no attention to for the longest time. i wasn't interested in ufology then, and the avalanche of links in that thread made it impossible for me to get a handle on what was going on. eventually i got interested in ufology for other reasons, and i came to respect klimmer for standing his ground, probably taking more heat than anyone has ever gotten on supertopo.
i assume you're the andrzej attached to that paper. i've done enough science reporting to know how to put such things in laypeople's language. if it's something significant, it ought to be even easier. pardon me if i'm not impressed by technical language.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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sincerity? not at all, you are refreshingly sincere. my problem is with your statement, "I am reading your material, It is fair you read some of mine." that's a complete non-sequitur. if you're trying to impress me as an intelligent scientist working in the chemistry of dna, you don't have to do that. we're not talking about your research area here.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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I'm adding this here only because I wanted to further reinforce the idea in my own working vocabulary...
i came to respect klimmer for standing his ground, probably taking more heat than anyone has ever gotten on supertopo.
Standing your ground in bullshi't is nothing to be proud of.
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selfish man
Gym climber
Austin, TX
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you and healyje get on my case like flies on sh#t, dirtbag. remember, when it comes to flies and sh#t, that the attraction does not reflect well on the flies.
I didn't read the discussion but couldn't help laughing when I saw this. Neither does it reflect well on what attracts the flies, I'm afraid
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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^^Werner's been busy getting the Truth out.^^
Wake up Sheeple!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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But it is interesting how they all line up in a pentagram... with Columbine and Aurora in southern WY... which is the state where Cheney lives...
Eh, you never know...
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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those whose careers are tied to "respectable scientific journals" will never think for themselves, drool. you have obviously never examined the evidence of ufology personally, else you would be addressing its worth or worthlessness in terms of the evidence itself, rather than "respectability". my advice is stick with your career, your great humility, and your comfy lab. it's dangerous out there. you'll find plenty of fellowship from the school of baby sharks we're attracting--they had a term for it a few years ago: dittoheads.
one of our respectable scientists on this forum recently reported going to a conference where most of the papers were not recognizable, to him, as science. what i recognized in terms of the general subject matter was an interest in areas rumored to involve back-engineering. yes, technology supposedly gained from alien contacts kept secret from the public. in certain circles, it would appear that respectability is being thrown to the wind.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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michael salla
Salla? Please, how can you buy that drivel? It's classic scifi hucksterism.
pardon me if i'm not impressed by technical language
Or facts. Why exactly is it that topics which sport a total lack of support by any documented facts seem to impress you far more than any others? Which brings us to:
you have obviously never examined the evidence of ufology personally, else you would be addressing its worth or worthlessness in terms of the evidence itself, rather than "respectability"
But then, of course, there is zip, zero, nada "evidence" of UFOs - as in none whatsoever.
yes, technology supposedly gained from alien contacts kept secret from the public.
It's always the same troop of crank inventors along with scifi jugglers, clowns, and folks hoping to turn a buck in retirement (and the suckers they attract).
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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I watched ET when I was young and I think it could happen.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any sillier...
those whose careers are tied to "respectable scientific journals" will never think for themselves,
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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i think salla is a little gullible, healyje, but he's someone who will delve into areas no one else will touch, and he comes up with very interesting information--sometimes. but the medvedev stuff has little to do with salla. salla just reported what got buzzed about all over the world when the PM made his supposed off-camera remarks.
i tend to agree with moosedrool's assessment: medvedev is a fox and knew perfectly well what he was doing and was testing the waters for a reaction. the link to the russian men in black is interesting too. it's just a basic documentary on ufology, portraying experiences which are almost identical to those which happen in the u.s. the difference between us and russia is our movie industry. the movies portray all the latest from ufology, fictionalizing it and keeping it in our tabloid mindset, where we won't take it too seriously. hollywood sci fi has no imagination as far as this stuff goes. it picks up stories and themes which a lot of people consider real, and which some claim really to have experienced.
salla made a couple reports last year about the real reasons for our current, outrageous trade imbalance with communist china. it has nothing to do with ufos, ET or sci fi. it begins with a lot of stolen money during world war 2. it's the closest thing to real investigative reporting on that very important issue that i've seen anywhere.
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