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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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You can't call them nuts or whack-jobs . . .
In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility. I welcome it.
— John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address Jan. 20, 1961
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“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
-- Benjamin Franklin quotes (American Statesman, Scientist, Philosopher, Printer, Writer and Inventor. 1706-1790)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
1,500+ Engineers and Architects
250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
400+ Professors Question 9/11
300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals
400+ Medical Professionals
Post up when your list includes:
2 WTC janitors
2 WTC painters
2 WTC telcom workers
2 WTC network administrators
2 WTC security guards
2 WTC facilities managers
2 WTC office workers
2 WTC office managers
all from each of the floors immediately above, below, and involved in the collisions...
Because they're the only ones who can testify whether or not those floors were rigged, which you can be sure weren't.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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They had literally many hundreds of cables rigged in tension inside about 50 columns. It would be more accurate to say that the columns held the cables that the floors were suspended from.
Would you be so kind as to clarify this with some references / images as I don't recall any such design details.
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monolith
climber
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It's so adorable how RokJox makes stuff up.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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monoligth, healyje: What is your explanation for the explosions in the lobbies & basements of the WTC?
I have yet to hear any Believer address this.
But then again, I think I know why they ignore this altogether.
Because they're the only ones who can testify
What does it matter who testifies? The ones that fit in with the Official Story get press, those that don't, well: IGNORE!
Meneta testified under oath. Why was his testimony left out or the work of the 9-11 commission?
MANY eye witnesses told of explosions in the buildings. What? No mention in the 9-11 Commission Report? How strange?!?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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monolith, you made me watch that piece of CRAP.
This video does nothing but DENY eye witness accounts of EXPLOSIONS, you numbskull.
What about the explosions witnessed in WTC Bld 7. Man, what a fool for buying that "fireballs" down the elevators BS.
Let me easily debunk the video you posted: The explosions occurred way after the planes hit, and long after the raging fires were burned out. In other words, no more fireballs down the elevator shafts.
To think that the NYPD folks don't know what an explosion is, man. (Also, concussive explosions were caught on tape.)
The fact that all the Believers have is DENIAL on this subject goes a long way towards showing the length that these folks will go to believe the stories they are told.
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monolith
climber
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Not everything that makes a loud noise is an explosion K-Man.
I see you are avoiding the question K-Man.
What is the purpose of bombs in the basement?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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ok I'm confused. Is a Truther the same as a Believer? or the opposite?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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A Truther is one who seeks the truth behind the 9-11 attacks, a Believer is one who believes the Official Story.
Dr. F. the fact is, an independent group tested the dust from the collapsed WTC building and found the the tale-tell sings of explosives.
Why would the official groups investigating the attacks not test for explosives in an effort to rule out the possibility that there were explosives there?
As for the angle on complacency: Mineta. Why was this not investigated further?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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monolith, I am not trying to explain the events.
Read that twice, because I've said it before.
But, I do think that explosions in the basements and lobbies of the WTC buildings is an important event that should be investigated.
I've said this before too: I believe the 9-11 Commission Report is full of lies and distortions, and ignores important facts and events. I think an unbiased investigation should be opened.
Get it?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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I agree Dr. F. And that is why I'd like to see an official agency test for explosives to transparently show there were none there.
There are many eye witness accounts, and tape, of explosions. Controlled demolition is the most plausible explanation for the way WTC Bld 7 fell. Why not test?
The fact that they don't makes me wonder: Are they afraid of what they will find?
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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"No one knows what happened to building seven, but it will be proved that it wasn't rigged for demolition."
Do you have an eta for this proof? You could save us time and speculation.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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what do you call someone like Dr F who doesn't believe either side only that it's Bush's fault?
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monolith
climber
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People in the basement heard and felt several events. They felt the crash, they heard the elevators crashing, they heard the fuel exploding in the shafts. It's difficult to know what's happening during stress.
Offer a better explanation to the standard explanation, and you will get more interest in a new investigation.
There's no purpose for bombs in the basement. I bet RokJox could make up something.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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"There's no purpose for bombs in the basement. I bet RokJox could make up something."
Yeah, why would anyone bomb the basement?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
"The 1,336 lb (606 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device[1] was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people."
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monolith
climber
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Hilarious, Caveman. Why would the NWO put bombs in the basement when they already had framed Islamic terrorists flying planes into the building?
Use some neurons, dude.
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monolith
climber
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List a few reasons why the NWO would put bombs in the basement, when they already had planes flying into the building?
Did these massive bombs go off on 9/11 like the earlier truck bomb did? Why no firefighter/police reports of massive damage in the basement like after the truck bomb, which was not powerful enough to bring the building down?
Flying planes into the building requires no onsight involvment.
No cables held up the floors, oatmeal brains.
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monolith
climber
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No concrete in the core silly boy, just steel. Concrete was used on the floors in the core and office space, but not used in the vertical structural members above the first few floors.
So Rox, are you saying bombs in the basement caused the progressive collapse from the plane impact point?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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many things from a demolished building would be a positive detection hit for explosives
This is the statement that I was agreeing with from Dr. F., I do not believe the statement that the buildings being brought down by explosives was debunked.
Sorry if I confused you.
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