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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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""It is easy to blur the truth with a simple linguistic trick: start
your story from 'Secondly.'"
"The houses built on top of ours"
Philo, what house is the Dome of the Rock build over? What houses were many of the Palestinian houses in East Jeruselem build on top of?
During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the western part of Jerusalem was captured by Israel, while East Jerusalem (including the Old City) was captured by Jordan. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War came to an end with the signing of the 1949 Armistice Agreements.[2]
Upon its capture, the Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of the Jewish Quarter. All the main synagogues were destroyed, and the Jewish Quarter was bulldozed. The ancient Jewish cemetery on Mount of Olives was desecrated, and the tombstones there were used for construction and paving roads. Jordan also destroyed the Jewish villages of Atarot and Neve Yaakov just north of Jerusalem (their sites became Jerusalem neighborhoods after 1967).
East Jerusalem absorbed some of the refugees from West Jerusalem's Arab neighborhoods that came under Israeli rule. Thousands of Arabs were settled in the previously Jewish areas of Jerusalem.[2]
The Jewish Quarter (Hebrew: הרובע היהודי, HaRova HaYehudi or the Rova) is one of the four traditional quarters of the Old City of Jerusalem. The 45,000 square meter area lies in the southeastern sector of the walled city, and stretches from the Zion Gate in the south, along the Armenian Quarter on the west, up to the Cardo in the north and extends to the Western Wall and the Temple Mount in the east.
The quarter has had a rich history, with a nearly continual Jewish presence since the eighth century B.C.E. At the turn of the 20th century the Jewish population of the quarter reached 19,000.[1]. At no time was its population purely and homogenously Jewish - such a rule being neither desired by the Jewish inhabitants nor enforced by the Ottoman or British rulers; in fact, there had always been a considerable non-Jewish population living among its Jews.
In 1948 during the Arab-Israeli War, its population of about 2,000 Jews was besieged, and forced to leave en masse. Colonel Abdullah el-Tal, one-time commandant of the Jordanian Arab Legion, in describing the destruction of the Jewish Quarter, wrote in the volume of his Memoirs (Cairo, 1959):
"... The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion.... I knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jews who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty.... I embarked, therefore, on the shelling of the Quarter with mortars, creating harassment and destruction.... Only four days after our entry into Jerusalem the Jewish Quarter had become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it.... As the dawn of Friday, May 28, 1948, was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged convulsed in a black cloud - a cloud of death and agony."
—Yosef Tekoah (Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations) quoting Abdullah el-Tal, [2]
The Jordanian commander who led the operation is reported to have told his superiors: "For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews' return here impossible."[3]
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Hey there war mongers don't touch that dial. Just pop up some corn and enjoy the heroic show.
Don't forget to floss the veins from your teeth.
Very unsightly when your claiming the moral high ground.
For those of you with still functioning hearts and operational moral compasses,
DON"T WATCH THIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wrwZlwAq8&eurl=http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200916123126787790.html&feature=player_embedded
Can't wait to hear the dead of heart say it was all staged.
And how about the terrified and crying little curly haired blonde kid at the end.
OOOOh so scary! Looks like a terrorist. Better kill him now before he remembers what was done to him and his people. He could exterminate all the Jews if you let him.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Is that the best you got left Dafty? Staid, hackneyed rehashes of regurgitated rhetoric.
I keep posting reliable, verifiable news and information and you mouth breathing war mongers reply with what could best be described as sounding like a bubble in the bath tub.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Oh God Wormy you post the double speak of a guy named Jonah Goldberg.
What possible motivation could he have to cast Palestinians in the worst light?
What motivation did Albert Einstein have when he cast the light of parallel between Zionist Israel and Nazi Germany.
I don't know but for my money I will take the word of the smart Jew.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Whew what's that smell? There's a Fat man in the bath tub with the spews....
No Dafty one neighbor at a time. Why won't Israel sign a binding agreement stating their acceptance of Palestine to exist? Right back at ya.
Hey jeff what were you doing at the Royal Gorge?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jeff,
Oh cool man. I thought you had meant the Royal Gorge Here in Colo-Rad-Oooooo.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Philo, what a fabulous phrase: "Staid, hackneyed rehashes of regurgitated rhetoric." I disagree with almost everything you've posted - you seem pathologically unable to see two sides - but that phrase is brilliant. Really.
Reminds me of the old Spiro Agnew quote about nattering Nabobs of Negativism.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Keep pounding on them Israel. Push all the way to the Egyptian border.
Hamas could bring it all to an end anytime they want, but they don't want.
By the way Philo, explain and justify Hamas placing its weapons and weapon caches smack dab in the middle of civilian areas where the Israeli Airforce can take them out only by killing or injuring non-combatants. Hamas loves the blood, loves the gore and the dead.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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mtnyoung I can see both sides.
But I only find one defensible.
But I suppose you think Woody can see both sides?
I am not rooting for more killing.
I guess the ones who are must be seeing both sides.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Philo said: "mtnyoung I can see both sides.
But I only find one defensible. "
First, I don't think you're looking at your views honestly. Second, even if you are looking at your views honestly, you can't really see both of the sides here and yet find only one defensible. That's just nonsense.
Still, I only wanted to comment on your use of words, which I very much admired. I'll return to being a lurker; listening and trying to learn.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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"Nattering nabobs of negativism" was invented by William Safire, for the little-missed Spiro Agnew. Part of the Nixon-Reagan-Goldwater Republican divide and rule tactics that served them so well until recently.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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You're correct Philo. I'm cheering for Hamas fighters to be piled up like so much stinking rubbish. This thing needs to be finished in a way that Hamas will lose Gaza to the Palestinian Authority. From there, maybe the peace process has some hope; but blood sucking Hamas has to go.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"I can see both sides.
But I only find one defensible."
Nothing about Israel is defensible to Hamas and the Palestinians who democratically elected Hamas, including the existence of the Jewish people in the Middle East.
This leaves the Israelis to do what they believe they must do to defend themselves.
If Hamas did not find it necessary to fire mortars and rockets from crowded school, maybe the Israelis would not find it necessary to fire missiles at the school.
And so the cycle of violence continues. It will continue until people on both sides find at least some positions of the other side defensible.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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And Woody I found your post earlier in this thread about the little boys and girls to be really, really creepy and psychopathic. It is really disgusting and you should delete it.
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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Jerusalem is an interesting subject. of course it is full of half truths and myth.
During the mandate Jews, population wise, had retained their majority in the city proper. As far as ownership of land things were a bit different. Only about 18% of the total was Jewish owned (approximately 5,000 dunums). Of the eastern, subsequently Jordinian side, Jews owned a mere fraction of the land estimated at about .6 per cent.
Between 1948 and 1967 Israelis used their absantee property laws and their Custodian of Absantee Property to take about 20,000 dunums on the western side. Since 1967 they took 15,000 on the eastern side including that tiny .6 percent sliver abandoned in 1948.
Interestingly the Israelis found that .6 not to be expropriated by Jordan and the Jordanian Custodian of Absantee property was able for the most part to return registered Jewish owners their properties from the time of the mandate.
The same could not be said for the Arabs who put in claims for properties they abandoned in 1948. Unlike their Jordanian counterpart the Israeli Custodian Of Absantee Property was to deprive not preserve ownership. And that they did quite well.
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UncleDoug
climber
No. Lake Tahoe, CA
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"Hamas could bring it all to an end anytime they want, but they don't want.
By the way Philo, explain and justify Hamas placing its weapons and weapon caches smack dab in the middle of civilian areas where the Israeli Airforce can take them out only by killing or injuring non-combatants. Hamas loves the blood, loves the gore and the dead."
Name a place in Gaza that is not a civilian area?
This is what is sooooo f*#ked up.
Anyway, Woody, you'd like the place - very similar to Riverside....
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