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MattB
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Tucson
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One aspect of the high incarceration rate is the high execution rate in china, and presumably back in the ussr... also plain prison worker deaths
I doubt any reliable stats exist for this
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Frumy- all good fed stand-offs last at least a month or two...
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Frumy- all good fed stand-offs last at least a month or two...
yeah, but these guys are pretty weak sauce. about as weak as they come really. I give these un-american inbreds a week tops before they wimp out.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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It is cold and lonely out on the Malheur Refuge. I think we should send those guys some sheep.
Did you know that Malheur is French for misfortune or bad luck? Seems somehow appropriate. Malheur Refuge is the refuge of misfortune.
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Norton
Social climber
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word is Little Debbie Snacks are most requested Gear
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MattB
Trad climber
Tucson
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Yesssssss
More nutter butters please!!!!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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It is cold and lonely out on the Malheur Refuge. I think we should send those guys some sheep.
Did you know that Malheur is French for misfortune or bad luck? Seems somehow appropriate. Malheur Refuge is the refuge of misfortune.
Now, that's just cruel for those sheep...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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^^^ That's a special kind of sick
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Wow, Dirtbag, I actually read that link. I remember a little about it.
Anyone can file a lien against someone else. Type it up and pay for it to be recorded in the county courthouse. You can also type up a deed and claim that you own somebody else's property. File it in the county where the land lies, and await the shitstorm that will follow if you are discovered.
The Montana Militia in the link did just that. They would file liens against judges, etc. as well as make fake checks. Those guys were full-on off their rockers.
I've spent years running title on mineral rights in the vaults of county courthouses. I've never run across a false document. I've run across many lawsuits, which happen between people, but nothing downright false, although you could do it in a one page document along with a 12 dollar check for the County Clerk to file.
First, you will be hit with slander of title suits. Then you will go to jail for any number of varieties of fraud. That is why nobody does it, around here, anyway.
Say you buy a house. You need to run a title examination, and the attorney will see it like a big red light. Unfortunately, this could accidentally hurt a person's credit record, as certain liens, such as mechanic's liens, are followed.
Basically, I could file a fake deed with your fake signature saying that you sold your house to me...when you didn't. That is also known as fraud.
People are pretty picky when it comes to clear title to their properties. An example of a lien is a mortgage. Anyone who later has a claim to the property has notice that the bank has first dibs on your house if you stop paying your bills, and creditors come after your property in a judgement.
Those guys were certifiable nuts, and the FBI took great care not to have a bloody Waco like standoff.
We are seeing this take place in Oregon now. There is little doubt that an armed takeover of a federal complex such as the Wildlife Refuge's facilities is a crime. The government just isn't going to let it get bloody. They will wait and pick them off one by one.
I'm sure that they have a file on THIS GUY, for example:
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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What always fascinated me about that picture is the other yahoos nearby with their heads above the barriers.
Let's all crowd around the guy with the rifle that has 99% concealment and get some pictures!
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dirtbag
climber
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Fear, the media spectacles associated with these kind of events are often the weirdest parts.
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MattB
Trad climber
Tucson
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I prefer to think many of the belligerents in nevada were federal agents... and at malheur, keeping track of the crazies.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 8, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
I prefer to think many of the belligerents in nevada were federal agents... and at malheur, keeping track of the crazies.
You look for the guys with shiny shoes.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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What always fascinated me about that picture is the other yahoos nearby with their heads above the barriers.
Let's all crowd around the guy with the rifle that has 99% concealment and get some pictures!
It was almost as if he was responding to a threat that didn't exist!
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MattB
Trad climber
Tucson
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That Bundy feller shur has a perty sombrero
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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They are bringing in reinforcements
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Say... are those guys related to the Bundys on Married With Children?
Or Ted Bundy? I know for sure that HE was a Republican.
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