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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Ron,
That has been answered ages ago.
The DNA used to identify the passengers we are told were collected on-site at the Pentagon. They wouldn't lie to us now would they? But, the IDing was actually at Dover, hundreds of miles away. Pretty easy to provide DNA for passengers you say were on the aircraft and that you say are now dead and missing. Especially if that is what you wanted to do (false-flag), and was planned over a long period of time.
Any aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon has not been directly tied to AA Flight 77. NTSB has very clear guidelines on aircraft accident investigations. The parts have to be directly tied to the actual craft said to have gone down and crashed. That is done with serial numbers etc. and more. This wasn't done. Why not lay out all the parts found and reassemble as far as possible the craft in a massive hanger, like they should have done?
Read "Operation Northwoods." They know how to do massive false-flags and that was back in 1962. Think they are even better at it now? Absolutely.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2011 - 04:57pm PT
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No, there was outright lying and coverup, Ron.
It's right there in the official 911 commission report itself ...
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monolith
climber
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Or the similarities in the column configurations? How di they get thos nice 45 degree cuts?
Those were made in the cleanup, Jolly.
Deja Vue, it feels like 2006 all over again.
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monolith
climber
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Post the pics Jolly, you will see that they mostly stick straight up out of the rubble. There's even pics of them being cut. It's not a mystery.
Great to see you clinging to yet another classic Truther myth debunked long ago.
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monolith
climber
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They didn't use thermite. Oxy-fuel cutting torch.
This is like picking on the kids in the short bus. I'll get back to work now.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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You guys should put your money where your mouth is and leave the country. I just can't understand how you can support a country with your tax dollars if you actually believe the sh#t you're spewing. If I believed half the crazy sh#t you do, I'd leave in a heart beat.
Ironically, the three major conspiracy theorist here on Super Topo are ALL on the Government dime!!
Klimmer= School Teacher
Werner= National Park Service
Rok= Unemployment? Last I heard and that was awhile ago.
Why the slam on youtube?
Because its a forum for any moron to portray themselves as credible.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OUCH!!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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You guys should put your money where your mouth is and leave the country.
They should pick up and leave simply because a few people are corrupt? What kind of sense is that? Cheney is out of office and wont be back. Why leave now? That makes no sense.
The notion that it had to take thousands of people is a false one. It didn't have to have. And really its the leadership that is the most at fault. They are mostly gone and can't come back. So the notion of leaving is silly.
Plus where would they go where there isn't any corruption? That place doesn't exist.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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The notion that it had to take thousands of people is a false one.
So, Cheney planted all the bombs, fired the missile into the pentagon, hired some dudes to willingly fly a plane into the buildings and then cover it all up with the help of W?
Now that's a multi-tasker.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Awesome article but that's coming from a guy who gets most of his news from The Daily Show.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Now that's a multi-tasker.
he is.. isn't he.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Experiment/TEST.
What happens when you add a high temperature 1000°C and above for a short period of time to a surface of a concrete with a specified compressive strength?
WHAT action occurs and WHY?
Easy, simple no education required, no academia requirements but observation and an answer to a problem and how one could correct it.
Equipment:
Cost: $15.00-$25.00 US Dollars
Torch Head
Gas
Canister: Choose one or experiment with [A] Propylene 1982°C [3600°F] colour of canister is blue Propane 1890°C [3450°F], colour of canister is yellow [C] Butane colour of canister is green, temperature 1760°C [3,200°F ].
If high temperature is required add oxygen to be used with fuel gas for higher temperature combustion.
Both or all can be bought at local hardware store.
For the experiment:
Take tip or torch head and add gas canister of choice.
Find a vertical/horizontal concrete surface: patio, garage, sidewalk, bridge, buildings.
Suggestions do at home since sidewalks, bridges or buildings might bring liability, fines or arrest if caught or reported of highly unusually activity.
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First group: these to include stupid, ignorant, naïve, brainless, idiots, 15,000 scientists, 52 Nobel Laureates, doctors, lawyers, school teachers or anyone that does not have a clue about concrete. So no education required.
Second group: these to include stupid, ignorant, naïve, brainless, idiots, 15,000 scientists, 52 Nobel Laureates, doctors, lawyers, school teachers or anyone that does not have a clue about concrete. So no education required.
Assemble unit by adding torch head to selected gas canister from the above, since every climber or everyone on this site has used butane this will work perfect so cost is less just needs torch head., slowly turn gas on the torch head and use a source of ignition using match, lighter, spark, flame thrower, electric current or with the self starting spark arrestor provided with the unit.
First Group:
Take the lighted torch with the correct adjusted flame and aim it at the surface of the concrete. You can experiment but start at one-two inches from the surface and hold it for a couple seconds with your head above the concrete surface with the flame head pointing towards you or at a 90 degree angle, so you get a better look. Meaning looking towards the flame source and concrete surface in front of your face or have someone do this with you about a foot looking straight down where flame and surface will heat up.
Second Group:
*Use and wear safety equipment such as eye protection, head, and hand protection as well and wear heavy clothing prior to experiment. Recommend full face shield or rigid plastic sheet.
Take the lighted torch with the correct adjusted flame and aim it away from you pointing at the surface of the concrete. You can experiment but start at one-two inches from the surface and hold it for a couple seconds. The flame head should be pointed at the surface away from your face and head/body so does not absorb ingress energy but still happens, this is why the use of safety equipment.
*Note: make sure no one is in front or sides where the test is to be commenced. Area of the test: 20 feet radius or more with no children, animals, stupid, ignorant, naïve, brainless, idiots, , doctors, 15,000 scientists, 52 Nobel Laureates, lawyers, school teachers or anyone that does not have a clue about concrete.
Now tell me WHAT happened but better yet WHY?
No internet browsing for answers, and no concrete consultants or calling concrete companies for the answer.
Pictures would be good or video. Record it: Show and Tell
Disclaimer: The author does not assume, and hereby specifically disclaim, any liability to any person or entity with respect to any loss or damage alleged to have been caused by any error or omission contained herein and as not to be taken as fact or absolute.**
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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You guys should put your money where your mouth is and leave the country. I just can't understand how you can support a country with your tax dollars if you actually believe the sh#t you're spewing. If I believed half the crazy sh#t you do, I'd leave in a heart beat.
Ironically, the three major conspiracy theorist here on Super Topo are ALL on the Government dime!!
Klimmer= School Teacher
Werner= National Park Service
Rok= Unemployment? Last I heard and that was awhile ago.
Why the slam on youtube?
Because its a forum for any moron to portray themselves as credible.
Here comes the ole love it or leave argument.
Some of us took an oath to protect our nation, our Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic.
You don't give up on your Country because there are crooks in office and criminals with dark hearts that seem to pull a lot of strings in the background. There are a lot of good people in government who do their job and protect our nation and our Constitution day in and day out. It's not everyone. There are white-hats and there are black-hats.
You don't give up. You fight peacefully speaking truth to corrupt power and when you can you bring them to justice.
Everyone needs to work to make our Country better.
So Port, when are you going to enlist and take the oath?
Youtube is just a free portal, nothing more. You can use it or abuse it.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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You guys should put your money where your mouth is and leave the country. I just can't understand how you can support a country with your tax dollars if you actually believe the sh#t you're spewing. If I believed half the crazy sh#t you do, I'd leave in a heart beat.
Ironically, the three major conspiracy theorist here on Super Topo are ALL on the Government dime!!
Klimmer= School Teacher
Werner= National Park Service
Rok= Unemployment? Last I heard and that was awhile ago.
LMAO!
yeah klimmer and Werner so much about it cuz they were in on it.....they are part of the problem, not the solution. RJ just spews cuz thats his favorite sport. i mean its not like he can talk around the water cooler at work right?
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Betelnut
Mountain climber
So. California
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So does this flea-brained Werner dude ever say what he believed happened??
If he is saying that in some dark room of the fledgling Bush Administration - one that was still changing the Clinton's wallpaper - a massive plot was hatched to blow up buildings and fire missiles into others, killing thousands of Americans?
Is this half-wit trying to get normal, intelligent people to buy that civilian aircraft were shot down by military jets and/or these planes just disappeared?
Is this moron trying to sell the idea that hundreds or thousands of people who would have participated in this science fiction fantasy have been silent?
I'll kick in $ to send him on the first plane to Krazyf##kistan where he belongs.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Betelnut,
Read "Operation Northwoods" and tell me our government is not capable of planning and carrying out massive "false-flags" and evil, involving many people, killing our own people, hi-jacking jets, downing jets, switching jets and using a remote controlled aircraft, etc. etc. and then blaming it on Cuba to go to war, and then keeping their mouth shut about all of it.
When you can finally admit that our US government is capable of doing just what they have already admitted to in FOIA released official documents at GWU, then get back to us who want to know the truth no matter how difficult and painful it is to hear it.
Until then you are ignorant of the truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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I googled
oopsie
That puts you in Group One Klimmer. Stupid, ignorant, naïve, brainless, idiot, school teachers.
Did you read it. if you did makes all your arguements wrong on WTC.
Still did not answer WHAT and WHY Stupid
And you are a teacher, elemantary? What grade 2-3?
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Betelnut
Mountain climber
So. California
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Klimmer,
Operation Northwoods...zzzzzzzzzzzz
Ya think some nutty idea from 40+ years ago is evidence of your wacko super-conspiracy?
A government is a rotating cast of characters, Klim, not a living creature.
I don't argue creationism with religious friends - what's the point? They operate on faith and nothing I can say about science matters.
Same with arguing with Truther's. They ignore inconvenient facts that destroy their fantasy plot.
Look, if it keeps you happy and entertained, well, believe any nonsense you want.
But it's people like you that let O.J. walk
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