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Lorenzo
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Portland Oregon
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Jan 10, 2016 - 11:35am PT
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'cause it seems like that is the agenda being pushed by the BLM, USFS, and the EPA
The agenda is you have to clean up your own sh#t and don't push off you responsibilities just because it makes you rich
'the Bingham mine has polluted groundwater far beyond the confines of the mine. Who pays for that?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 10, 2016 - 11:37am PT
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The Hammonds do. They pay what they are required to by law.
The Hammonds lit a fire to cover up wholesale deer poaching. Let's not forget that.
They aren't the innocents you want to portrait.
And they got sentenced the minimum the law demands. It's a crap law as written. Congress should change that. But they got what the law said they should get.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jan 10, 2016 - 11:40am PT
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Dave, the Hammonds' problem is mandatory sentencing laws. Laws that were pushed through by right wing politicians so they could look tough for the voters. Laws that conservatives loved as long as they were applied to city dwellers who liked to snort cocaine. Now that it comes back to bite them on the ass, it's hard to feel a lot of compassion for them.
The BLM is not perfect. But if you have a link to information about the BLM fencing off springs that they don't have title or rights to, that would be interesting.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Jan 10, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
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“Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his country, it is a sign that he expects to be paid for it.”
— H.L. Mencken
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 10, 2016 - 12:38pm PT
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Only huge mining companies can afford to play in this game.
I agree. And it kinda sucks ass, since I really enjoy getting out and prospecting.
I don't feel a whole lot of sympathy for most ranchers either, due directly to their attitudes toward me when I have been out hunting and/or prospecting.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 10, 2016 - 12:40pm PT
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"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
~ Samuel Johnson April 7, 1775 as quoted by Boswell.
(Coincidentally the date of Paul Revere's first ride to warn Congress in Concord, not the famous one 11 days later.)
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 10, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
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Epa f*#ked up but let's be clear here, it was NOT the EPA that created the pollutants in the first place.
Johnny and Dave,
Sorry if this inconvenient fact flies in the face of your little libertarian/government bashing fantasy.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2016 - 12:46pm PT
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Or, you know, we can pretend that we don't need beef from ranchers, food from farmers, or any of the minerals that miners provide.
here we go, play the we-need-them-so-badly card. We hear that whine in California all the time from farmers. Farmers are 2% of our economy. There is no food shortage, there is no beef shortage. In fact raising beef on these desert-like ranges is incredibly inefficient, if we stopped the BLM welfare to ranchers it might stop.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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Sorry if this inconvenient fact flies in the face of your little libertarian/government bashing fantasy.
That is sooo not it. What, you think I'm stupid enough not to recognize the cause of the initial damage? No, I fully recognize that mining (and ranching) can have serious negative impacts to the environment.
In this case (regarding the river) it really pisses me off that basically, the EPA and the rest of the majority of the country is basically shrugging their shoulders and going "Oops." You and me, as private citizens, would have basically had our lives ruined had we performed to such poor standards of operation. In addition, the local opposition to superfund designation there is also a giant kettle of bullshit as well.
Bullsh#t, all around us. Dumb f*#king government actors, idiot f*#king citizenry that just perpetuates the f*#king apathy of it all. In both cases, the morons are in the minority; but they create the majority of f*#k-ups, and it seems that those of the "educated" intelligent variety don't have the sac to step up and take care of business. Instead, they do the very thing that's happening here on this website: bitch about from their couch. No action.
Come to think of it, that's exactly how groups like ISIS etc come to power. They get off their asses and take up arms. If the militias ever find enough common ground to group up, you f*#king pansies are toast, cause you don't have the balls enough to stand up against them.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:10pm PT
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Why....that certainly seemed like a well reasoned response....
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:12pm PT
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Yep, Lorenzo, that's about what I expected.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
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whatever.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
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Note that the issue was that it was the BLM's RESPONSIBILITY to fence no grazing zones.
The BLM needs to build those fences. And they need to be given resources to build those fences.
And ranchers need to stop destroying BLM fences, such as the Hammonds did.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2016 - 01:26pm PT
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Sure Chief, whatever you say, cuz you put it on the internet, it instantly became a fact. That fairy tail has already be debunked
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John M
climber
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
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Come to think of it, that's exactly how groups like ISIS etc come to power. They get off their asses and take up arms. If the militias ever find enough common ground to group up, you f*#king pansies are toast, cause you don't have the balls enough to stand up against them.
a gun doesn't make you tough. It makes you scary, but that ain't necessarily tough. I know plenty of tough liberals. And many of them have served in the military. I also know many who own guns and hunt. Don't let the caricatures fool you.
Come on RJ.. you are smarter and wiser then that. You are letting people get under your skin.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
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Never said a gun makes anyone tough. I dont believe i said anything about liberal vs conservative. Maybe i should clarify- the majorrity of people in any given place seem to be apathetic, in that they will let an armed minority push them out of house and homeland, not taking up arms against them.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
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In this country, the majority gets its choices in congress.
Trying to do it at gunpoint is insurrection, and has been since the whiskey rebellion.
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John M
climber
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Jan 10, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
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Okay.. thanks for clarifying RJ.. I'm glad that you realize that it is not a left or right issue.
Locker.. I believe Ron is themaster.
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