Trip Report
Climbing the Elb river. Elbsandsteingebirge
Sunday November 2, 2014 1:19pm
Elbsandsteingebirge Saxony of the former “East Germany” had the first bolt chopping wars. Early climber consensus degreed a maximum of three rings per route, but in 1936 Willy Hantzschel used 5 to climb the Schrammtorwacher Norwand. Harry Rost pulled them out, but a three ring ascent wasn’t made until 1951. Rings were later re-added to establish a scary but doable route. This compromise led to routes with more than 6 rings.

The Elb river flows through a huge area of sandstone towers and cliffs starting about 30 miles east of Dresden and extending through the Czech republic to Aldersbach near Poland. http://db-sandsteinklettern.gipfelbuch.de/gebiet.php?gebietid=1.
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Typical scenery on the Elb
Typical scenery on the Elb
Credit: steven Curtis
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Arriving in Rathen 40 kilometers east of Dresden one crosses the Elb river on a ferry with hundreds of tourists.
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Ferry crossing in Rathan
Ferry crossing in Rathan
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He then trots past old work stimulus projects from the early Nazi period.
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Work stimulus from the Nazis
Work stimulus from the Nazis
Credit: steven Curtis
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Dogs are allowed, and yours is likely to find a pile of fresh human feces to roll in. Leave him at the base of a tower for tourists to pet.
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Our feces covered pet, waiting for the tourists who arrived
Our feces covered pet, waiting for the tourists who arrived
Credit: steven Curtis
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The tower Lange Isreal is only a few minutes away. The regular route is two rings, 35 meters 5.11 fingers to hands to fist to 5.11 OW to a 10 square foot summit.
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lange Isreal summit
lange Isreal summit
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The summit is 20 ft distant to an airy walkway between hotels and towers.
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walkway from a different tower
walkway from a different tower
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One goes from OW purgatory to picture snapping tourists’ hell.
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Me doing what I did on Lange Isreal
Me doing what I did on Lange Isreal
Credit: steven Curtis
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Andi after three multipitch towers.  After his worst in the world OW l...
Andi after three multipitch towers. After his worst in the world OW lead on Lange Isreal--overhanging dirt
Credit: steven Curtis
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During my six years in Germany friends often asked me to climb at the Elb. I'd refused thinking all the rules were evidence of a liberty free commie zone. Two years ago I found out this was false; the Elb is a climbing museum with the local attitude "my great-granddad climbed that 5.11 chalk less, shoeless, with primitive gear, risking maiming and fatal falls, and his youngest daughter strapped to his back on a swaddling board, your experience should be similar. By the way, we are very funny people."
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Leading Violetta Verschneidung without knots.  10+X  I couldn't place ...
Leading Violetta Verschneidung without knots. 10+X I couldn't place the damn things.
Credit: steven Curtis
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Here are some Elb facts. A full list of rules is at this site http://www.bergsteigerbund.de/klettern_saechsische_kletterregeln.html#43);
1. Elbsandsteingebirge is a nature park. Rock climbing allows people to reach the top of towers that would be otherwise inaccessible. Therefore, only towers may have established climbing routes. A cliff (massif) whose top can be approached by scrambling may not have climbing. A committee decides what is a “massif” and what is a tower.
2. Inconsistently, towers may have multiple ringed routes.
3. Towers must be 10 meters tall on their shortest side. Climbers are fined when they remove soil to enlarge towers.
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I never saw climbers digging.  However, this tower has several tons of...
I never saw climbers digging. However, this tower has several tons of cement on it in an attempt to hold it together. Andi Eisenhower
Credit: steven Curtis
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4. Bolts have a large ring because Saxon locals were climbing hard before the invention of carabineers. The leader climbed to a ring, hung on his arm, untied, threaded his rope through the ring, and continued climbing.
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Free soloing the 5 pitch Alte Schuster Weg at about 5.8.  We did anoth...
Free soloing the 5 pitch Alte Schuster Weg at about 5.8. We did another route from the 30s which was about 11C.
Credit: steven Curtis
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Rubbing Dr. Schuster's nose.  1st ascent about 1896
Rubbing Dr. Schuster's nose. 1st ascent about 1896
Credit: steven Curtis
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5. Karabinerhaken is the original form of the word and is German for “hook for a carbine”
6. Ring sizes vary from about 3 inches to 6 inches. The “bolt” is a nine inch tapering spike that is driven into a downward pointing hole lined with lead foil. Bits and pieces of foil are amongst debris at the base of towers. Spikes and rings receive regular loving care.
7. Many routes have an Unterstuzung grade. Unterstuzung is a human pyramid used as aid to climb a tower; in the case of the Schrammtorwacher a four person pyramid was assembled about 50 ft up.
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another type of "unterstutzung"
another type of "unterstutzung"
Credit: steven Curtis
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8. Unconventional “protection” such as a sling slung 40 ft up a nearby tree is occasionally used.
9. Most “towers” are a complex of multiple towers with very deep chimneys between them. Only one rap anchor is allowed. The easiest way between towers is to jump.
10. Jumps are graded 1-4. At 55 I can barely do a 1. Climbers occasionally walk away from 4s.
11. No metal protection may be used except carabineers. Germans say the rock is too soft--it varies in hardness from hard Indian creek varnish, to very poor Zion crumble. Protection between rings is made by pounding a knotted sling into a constriction with a stick, by tying cords through holes, or by slinging horns. I think a nut or cam would be less destructive than the knots we forced in. However, “great granddad needed to hold on for 5 minutes to force a knot into that 5.11 crack--you will too!” It is difficult to trust this knot pro. However, later in my trip we drove to France and placed good knots in soft sandstone near bolts. Even small knots held falls. (Everything you want to know about knot strengths http://www.joergbrutscher.homepage.t-online.de/knotene.htm)[photoid=384690]
12. Loosely tied figure eight knots are the best, overhand knots second best. When weighted, they roll up and expand. With force from a fall the rope stretches and the knot shrinks. To be safe my buddy Andi said the knot must be placed above a constriction ¾ the size of the flat knot. Furthermore, pulling on the free end of the knot farthest in will bury it deeper.
13. Hard routes often have fixed knots. People treat them like we might treat a fixed piton or nut.
14. Every tower has a "Gipfel Buch" (summit register). Of course, a regulation covers how one may record his ascent in the book, and if you are not an ugly fool, you will put your name, date and route, in that order.
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Ugly Germans and an American in France.  We went there to place knots ...
Ugly Germans and an American in France. We went there to place knots in sandstone, next to good bolts. Holger,pictured, wanted to place a summit register and asked a Frenchman "how do I label my 'Gipfel Buch.'" The Frenchman said "Gipfel Buch"? we hav
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15. The first 100 ascents of a route get a number. We climbed an ugly tower by way of the standard super ugly overhanging flared 5.11 chimney with ground-fall potential and got #66. The tower had an original DDR guide with some interesting scribbles clearly but subtlety stating climbers’ hatred of the old Communist state.
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An old DDR Gipfel Buch am Koenigs Tor
An old DDR Gipfel Buch am Koenigs Tor
Credit: steven Curtis
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16. Chalk is prohibited. Climbing with shoes is allowed, but barefoot is traditional. Hard soled shoes are forbidden. The cracks are rough, but people will laugh at tape gloves. Top roping is strongly discouraged.

June 2011 I arrived in Germany for a month of Elb climbing but learned that my friend could only climb three days because he was immersed in a legal battle with his girlfriend over visitation rights to their child.
"Don't worry Steve, Andi has been asking everyone to climb at the Elb, and he is a master with knots".
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Me and Achim on Falcon Turm
Me and Achim on Falcon Turm
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I knew Andi Eisenhower. He once cleaned and bolted a line, and then offered me first try at an onsight. Besides, he climbed 5.13-D, and had visited what friends call "German advance base camp Yosemite"-- my place in Petaluma and we did Astroman together.
During my first three days with Achim at the Elb I learned a bit about the climbing. Most importantly, in accepting to climb the Elb, one accepts the rules, and the rules enhance the experience more than frustrate the climber. Second, nearly all climbs have R or X sections at or near grade. Be solid! The climbing is really good; one ascends cracks and faces to very small summits. Finally, I thought knots were psychological pro-false!
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One of my first 10s with achim
One of my first 10s with achim
Credit: steven Curtis
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After the trip Achim drove straight to Andi's. Understanding climbers well, Andi’s wife regarded me hesitantly, while his daughters were curious about the American who invaded their home.
“Do you like star wars one asked” “Yes”
Andi immediately pulled down 12 separate Elb guide books totaling about 10000 pages and began leafing. The area has thousands of routes.
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First pitch of a three pitch 5.11 on the Monk
First pitch of a three pitch 5.11 on the Monk
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"Steve look here at the Violeta Verschniedung (dihedral). And here is the Kleine Isreal. However, he returned to one climb several times. Talwand am Schweiger (brother in law)
“Look at this line Steve--200 ft straight to the top on an overhanging wall. Starts 5.11 fingers a bit under vertical--easy to knot and with a ring 80 ft up. Beyond this is a 5.11 fist roof. One can’t protect it and most people turn around. After this more fists to a second ring, and then OW and chimney to the top. First free climbed 1952" Only later I learned that one of the "one of the people turning around" was Henry Barber in the 70s. He came back two years later for the redpoint, and the story has a prominent place in Bernd Arnold’s biography.
Andi’s wife’s suspicions were confirmed and within 2 hours we on the 10 hour drive back to the Elb, me sleeping on the van's floor. Next day, we started with a 1930 5.11 originally done with unterstuzung assembled 100 ft. up. Andi led the first 5.10 pitch in style, and then backed off the crux--it started to rain.
"Steve, the moves are really hard, and if you fall you'll swing 40 ft into that corner". I went up and indeed, there were thin 5.11 moves out of the corner to what looked like a crux20 ft out. I too bailed, but spied a hidden ring 15 ft. out of the corner. I moved the pro point, and risked a very long but clean fall. After that success I felt great. We did a few more 10s; I chose to solo with a rope--in my opinion the knots were bullsh#t.[photo
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Is this a free solo?
Is this a free solo?
Credit: steven Curtis
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id=384697] However, I watched Andi place them diligently. On the third day, Andi subtly returned to the line.
"Steve, it is 6 PM, but it will be light until 11. Why don't we take a peek at the Schweiger Talwand. It is close by; we don't need to climb it".
Melanie, a gorgeous and strong climber from Andi's home crag in Nordreinwestphalen met us earlier in the day. She was mad at Andi because she’d asked him to make a trip to the Elb and he was climbing with me. Andi whispered that his wife would be furious if he spent a week climbing with Melanie.
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OK, here is Melanie when she recognized Andi.
OK, here is Melanie when she recognized Andi.
Credit: steven Curtis
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Locals were photographing Melanie for their annual Elb Climbing Calendar because they wanted pictures of outside talent climbing their routes. When they heard we were going to check out the Talwand one asked to photograph; he gave Andi a red shirt. By the time we reached the Schweiger, our little troop had 10 people with the photographer scurrying up a gully into position.
Andi hopped on the Talwand, and deftly placed a variety of knots for a good onsight to the first ring at 80 ft. He tried the fist roof, and decided to bail. He used the red shirt to clean his hands.
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Andi onsighting the first part of the Schweiger Talwand
Andi onsighting the first part of the Schweiger Talwand
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"Why don't you have a look at the roof. It might suit you Steve"
I climbed the finger crack clumsily, and heard a mutter "poor foot work"- the source a Klugscheisser Saxon, literally a wisdom shitter== know it all- who had bragged about his ascents, but acknowledged backing off this thing. I looked down, Melanie smiled.
I climbed out to the roof’s lip and then back thinking, “my fists fit but do I really want to do 5.11 X?” I heard another mutter "oh, he won’t do it".
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Pulling the 5.11 fist roof on the Schweiger.  One might be able to cra...
Pulling the 5.11 fist roof on the Schweiger. One might be able to crawl away from a fall.
Credit: steven Curtis
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The ring is in the back of the roof; a fall turning the lip would probably send a climber to the hospital. Above, a fall would end in a litter or bag, the ring was 50 ft away, and a fist crack is not knot-able.
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The death fall zone
The death fall zone
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Within a few minutes I’d pulled the lip through to the wide hands above. As with many old hard climbs on the Elb, this one had a suspiciously shaped thank god hold (foot hold) where I could re-group before death fall territory. I climbed through to the second ring and hooked up redundant draws. I'd forgotten the red shirt.
The photographer was in a gulley directly across from me. Contemplating the next 40 ft of overhanging fists to OW made me sick.
"Hey bildmacher, how is the next stretch?"
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above the second ring.  Safe, but into really big fall potential.
above the second ring. Safe, but into really big fall potential.
Credit: steven Curtis
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"For you, no worries. My photographs are sh#t with your blue shirt!! Besides, people have fallen from the fist to OW crux 15 meters above you and walked away."
There was no pro from this point.
After the intial 40 ft struggle, there was another 40 ft of widening chimney with a tense moment climbing out. However, there was another thank god hold, and soon I was belaying Andi and everyone else out the roof. Only Andi made it.
Back at the base, Melanie informed us the photographer rented a matrazen lager (mattress space) for about 6$ and there was extra room. We tried following the photographer and Melanie, but the photographer was pissed that we used his shirt as a hanky, and used his BMW to lose our VW van. However, we called Melanie and she directed us. She made us a meatless, fatless supper, and we got hot showers. Next morning, we left our Euros in a box, thinking an early departure prudent.
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Achim in typical Elb climbing.  He calls himself a "junk food vegetari...
Achim in typical Elb climbing. He calls himself a "junk food vegetarian" Heavy on the chips.
Credit: steven Curtis
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Next day, Andi showed me the Barber story. Soon after that, I visited Huddy's -the Czech knot master’s store- and saw his famous quote: "Sometimes you are a hero, sometimes you're in the hospital".

I tried to sell this story. Now, I am recovering from a repaired hernia. Well enough to sit, but not to climb. I hope this is enjoyable.


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steven Curtis
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steven Curtis is a trad climber from Petaluma.

Comments
Mark Force

Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
  Nov 2, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
Wow, that is one of the best trip reports I've ever read! My hands are sweaty while typing this. Would love to go there and enjoy some climbing, but I think I'll hire a guide to drag me up stuff!

Edit: Incredibly impressed with the stout and bold climbing you did out there. Damn!
moacman

Trad climber
Montuckyian Via Canada Eh!
  Nov 2, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
You guy's are climbing hard ass.....Thanx for sharing your trip....

Stevo
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
  Nov 2, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
TR is useless without pictures of Melanie





(Good read!)
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
  Nov 2, 2014 - 02:06pm PT

Highly enjoyable reading - strong pushing - and what a place...
Blakey

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
  Nov 2, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
Stout!

Very stout!

Steve
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
  Nov 2, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
Fantastic
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
The fake McCoy from nevernever land.
  Nov 2, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
Most excellent. Thank you very much for sharing with us. F*#k, just read this again, A++.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
  Nov 2, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
Beautiful, Steve!
Thanks for sharing.

Here is the knot link:
http://www.joergbrutscher.homepage.t-online.de/knotene.htm
And a couple of photos that didn't display:
Impressive line.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
  Nov 2, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
Really nice stuff, thanks for the report!

We climbed there a few years ago, we got rained out for much of our trip but Berndt Arnold was nice enough to take us out the last day we were there. Had a great time and have been wanting to go back ever since. Until then my knot rack is gathering dust :(
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
  Nov 2, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
Thanks for the really great History of an insane area!
Cheers,
Ezra
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
  Nov 2, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
Real deal at the Elb . . . show us more of your visit!

Thanks!
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
  Nov 2, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
Humans do some crazy sh#t.
Fuzzywuzzy

climber
suspendedhappynation
  Nov 2, 2014 - 06:29pm PT
Bravo!

What a treat!

Thanks
WBraun

climber
  Nov 2, 2014 - 07:06pm PT
Nice !!!!!!
Risk

Mountain climber
Marooned, 855 miles from Tuolumne Meadows
  Nov 2, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
I especially liked "Another type of "unterstutzung."
limpingcrab

Gym climber
Minkler, CA
  Nov 3, 2014 - 08:20am PT
That was just plan old rad, thank you for taking the time to share all that with us! I think that's the first time I've gotten nervous while reading a trip report!

That place looks like an awesome spot to visit and experience, but that list of rules must suck if you live there and don't have any other choices. "Climb somewhere else if you don't like it" probably doesn't work for any broke locals.
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
  Nov 2, 2014 - 09:13pm PT
One of the best TRs of the year. Thanks a lot.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
  Nov 2, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
Thank you. Awesome to think about the committment on those routes.

Where's the closeup of Melanie?

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
  Nov 2, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
Where the climbing of today began!!
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
  Nov 2, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
Very awesome story and photos.
KabalaArch

Trad climber
Starlite, California
  Nov 2, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
Climbing is dangerous. Climb at your own risk.
ddriver

Trad climber
SLC, UT
  Nov 3, 2014 - 07:55am PT
Best report ever.
dhayan

climber
culver city, ca
  Nov 3, 2014 - 08:20am PT
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!
susu

climber
East Bay, CA
  Nov 3, 2014 - 08:28am PT
Feeling all knots reading this. Best report! Whew! Cheers!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
  Nov 3, 2014 - 08:49am PT
climbed there once... but only following...

hope to go back in the next few years and give it another go... but probably not quite as hard as this report!

bravo!
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
  Nov 3, 2014 - 09:43am PT
Great TR!!

I learned to climb in the Pfalz, a region of sandstone towers in southwestern Germany. I know those rings well.

Really great storytelling here, thanks.
Celtics1217

climber
Newfoundland
  Nov 3, 2014 - 10:03am PT
thanks so much for writing that up. stellar report! love the sweaty pic after what must have been a real gruntfest.
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
  Nov 3, 2014 - 10:38am PT
very cool Steve. Just what the topo needs. :)
AlanDoak

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
  Nov 3, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
Great trip report, it was a fun read.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
  Nov 3, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
Excellent TR. Thank you.

I have a lot of stuff on my website from the early days of climbing there.
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
  Nov 3, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
Bump for the evening crowd. Must suck to be the bridge over the chasm.
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
  Nov 3, 2014 - 05:20pm PT
yes!
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
  Nov 3, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
Great TR!!

Berg heil!
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
  Nov 3, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
A quite matter-of-fact account with a strong undertone of seriousness. Scary yet exerts a pull. Thanks for writing up in good detail and humor that fabled climbing area.
petje

Sport climber
Heerlen, Netherlands
  Nov 4, 2014 - 12:59am PT
Wow, good write up. Sweaty palms here. I lived in Cottbus, north of Dresden in the late 90's and i grabbed a bit of Elbsandstein climbing in those days. Your story sure brings back some memories. And greet Andi for me, Ettringen 4 life!
HMS

Trad climber
  Nov 4, 2014 - 05:18am PT
Wanna watch a video of someone climbing the Schwager Talseite?: http://vimeo.com/56746696

Wanna watch a video from an even more committing area?
http://vimeo.com/85903606?from=outro-local - In German.

or:
http://vimeo.com/106265007 - In English.

lars johansen

Trad climber
West Marin, CA
  Nov 4, 2014 - 07:35am PT
Yikes! TFPU
lars
Al_Smith

climber
Oahu
  Nov 4, 2014 - 09:30am PT
This TR is totally rad!!!

Thanks for sharing your adventure and photos with us!
domngo

climber
Canada
  Apr 27, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
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Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
  Apr 27, 2015 - 08:17pm PT
Nice bump, brings me back to climbing there a few years ago. The wife and I are moving to Germany for a few years, so the Elb will be my home area for a while....can't wait to go back.=
Blakey

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
  May 15, 2015 - 12:20am PT
Great TR, it sounds like a hoot! But like other readers I need to see a photo of Melanie.....

PhilG

Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
  May 15, 2015 - 07:24am PT
Stellar.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
  May 15, 2015 - 04:34pm PT
Really nice TR! But I have always wondered why two of East Germany's most famous climber (Arnold and Albert) abandoned such stellar efhics and made liberal use of a bosh drill in Patagonia.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
  May 15, 2015 - 09:49am PT
Wow! How did I miss this?

Some day soon, the Elb will be climbed by me.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
  May 15, 2015 - 10:16am PT
Yeah, missing this is like missing out on, say, The Second Coming?
But more fun and sac-shrivling.

Why do I get the impression there's no problem there with beanie-clad yappers?
brotherbbock

climber
So-Cal
  May 15, 2015 - 10:16am PT
Gnarly! Awesome TR
Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
  May 15, 2015 - 10:55am PT
Supertopo is wrong for not implementing a giant like button. I'd press it 100 times! (Edit: just saw the almost invisible FB like, which only allows one click.)

Steve, I'm sending this TR to Mud in case he hasn't seen it, but I made a mental note never to talk about it in the presence of your wife.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
  May 15, 2015 - 11:28am PT
Too much !
I have yet to read it all Again!
But. . .
Thanx for posting the real old school!
Woot woot for knots gnomes and magic forests
From the world back then!
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
  May 15, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
Wow, nicely told. Pretty exciting!
mynameismud

climber
backseat
  May 16, 2015 - 10:35am PT
Incredible write up Steve. It has been really good climbing with and swearing at you over the years.

Get Well Soon.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
  May 16, 2015 - 11:54am PT
Bump for high quality climbing content.

These routes make me ill to think of leading anything. Fun to read about, however.

BAd
overwatch

climber
Arizona
  Jun 16, 2016 - 12:53am PT
wow, pretty scary. I missed a lot of great tr's last year. I think I was taking a hiatus.

Those towers are surreal, like something from the mind of Roger Dean
Michael Hjorth

Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
  Jun 16, 2016 - 01:32am PT
What a great TR, thnx! Went there in 1992, didn't dare to go above 5.8.
Klugscheisser, I will remember and use that...!
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
  Jun 16, 2016 - 10:21am PT
Amazing climbing and rock formations!! Pretty scary too. Glad I was able to find this TR this go round.
dikhed

climber
State of fugue and disbelief
  Jun 16, 2016 - 12:48pm PT
Pretty cool but I gotta say climbing up each other is pretty silly

Plus plenty of people seem to not mind being laughed at for using tape
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