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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 22, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
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Bluering: are you really as pig-ignorant than you clearly are?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 22, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
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You're making making my 'Socialism sucks' argument for me...
Sorry, bluering, but you are totally ignorant about any of this.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jul 22, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
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Social welfare is different than socialism. Sweden has a strong market based economy with higher taxes and better benefits. Not the same as state owned industry, etc.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
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Sorry, bluering, but you are totally ignorant about any of this.
Um, no. They sell Saab's and Ikea stuff. Cool!
What many fail to see is that Socialist Europe is awakening, while we fall into their fallacy.
Europe is starting to realize their past errors as they delved into socialism. Just look at the current nationalistic uprisings in Holland, France, Germany, and even Switzerland. They aren't fascist, but pure nationalism.
Australia is awake now too. And Canada. We have fallen behind under poor leadership. The world has lost their leader, but some of you, like our dear leader, may just like it that way.
I just hope that as we get kicked down the ladder, people remember what we sacrificed to help all of our friends, and it was a lot.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 22, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
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some of you, like our dear leader, may just like it that way.
good stuff blue...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 23, 2014 - 05:25am PT
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Not the same as state owned industry, etc.
No socialist advocates owning industries, except for basic infrastructures such as transportation, medicine, Auto, plane, etc. manufacturing, no.
But I've only read the American socialists. Lots of different ideas out there.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 23, 2014 - 05:27am PT
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Just look at the current nationalistic uprisings in Holland, France, Germany, and even Switzerland. They aren't fascist, but pure nationalism.
So, your a f*#king neo-nazi. Figures. Fascism thrives on ignorance and apathy.
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raymond phule
climber
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Jul 23, 2014 - 05:55am PT
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What many fail to see is that Socialist Europe is awakening, while we fall into their fallacy.
Europe is starting to realize their past errors as they delved into socialism. Just look at the current nationalistic uprisings in Holland, France, Germany, and even Switzerland. They aren't fascist, but pure nationalism.
Bluering, you I am sure that you have not been outside USA or have you?
Socialist Europe? At time were that the case? Calling fascist/rasist movements pure nationalism...
Yeah, they sell some stuff now.
When did sweden start selling stuff in your world?
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raymond phule
climber
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Jul 23, 2014 - 06:05am PT
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No socialist advocates owning industries, except for basic infrastructures such as transportation, medicine, Auto, plane, etc. manufacturing, no.
But I've only read the American socialists. Lots of different ideas out there.
I am not sure what you mean with socialism. I would say that all European countries after the fall of east Europe are mixed economies and that western Europe have always been mixed economies.
I really don't believe that a country with some state own infrastructure should be called socialistic.
The beginning of the wik article kind of disagree with you. I haven't read the whole article.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 23, 2014 - 06:34am PT
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I am not sure what you mean with socialism. I would say that all European countries after the fall of east Europe are mixed economies and that western Europe have always been mixed economies.
I really don't believe that a country with some state own infrastructure should be called socialistic.
I don't base my thinking on wiki, but Norman Thomas, Michael Harrington and Eugene Debs. Socialism is mixed economy. The main thing is to not have a tiny class siphoning off the wealth produced by the entire nation.
I base my opinion on what the socialist thinkers have written. Bluering bases his opinion on the John Birch Society. It's a mistake to base your opinion on any subject solely on what those opposed to it have to say on the matter. That's what bluering has done. He says he despises the MSM, yet bases his thinking on what they feed him.
Harrington gave a speech to some auto workers in Detroit a long time ago. This when he was still top dog at the old Socialist Party. The sponsor said he would introduce Harrington as author of The Other America: Poverty in the United States. Harrington said no, introduce me as a socialist.
He was roundly booed when introduced. At the end of his speech he was cheered.
If you can find them Norman Thomas' Socialism Re-examined and Socialism on the Defensive make great reading on the subject, along with Michael Harrington's Socialism.
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raymond phule
climber
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Jul 23, 2014 - 06:48am PT
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Ok, I am not sure what is usually meant with socialism but I would guess that it is possibly that the definition is different in american politics and in European politics and that it has changed but I also saw that Palme called himself a democratic socialist.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 23, 2014 - 09:47am PT
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I'll bet there are more than 12 members that adhere to communist philosophy.
12 members where?
12 communist members in the entire United States?
or are you saying on this Supertopo forum there are at least 15 people who "adhere to communist philosophy?
secondly. blue, please define specifically how these members adhere?
you called ME a "communist", even I though I served this country and came back from the jungle half dead with malaria
you never said WHY I was a "communist" , blue, please say exactly why I am now
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 23, 2014 - 10:45am PT
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Yeah, those words have become meaningless epithets in the last couple of decades.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 23, 2014 - 02:16pm PT
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Anti-communist extremism has gone through a lot of phases since Senator Dies committee hearings in 1938. It really peaked during the short-lived career of Senator Joseph McCarthy between 1950 and his censure by the Senate in 1954. It did linger on in the House Un-American Activities Subcommittee hearings in the late 1950s and, of course, in Dick Nixon's Domestic Enemies List during the Watergate years in the early 1970s.
Like every historical artifact is has a definite beginning, middle and end punctuated by a series of occasional rebirths. Hard to peddle it these days since the disintegration of the Soviet empire. Kids today are more interested in smart phones and the social media like Facebook and Twitter.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 23, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
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michele-bachmann-on-a-2016-presidential-bid-theres-a-chance/
What are my chances?
Not good.
You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
I'd say more like one out of a million.
So you're telling me there's a chance... YEAH!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 23, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
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Abstract:
By running an experiment among Germans collecting their passports or ID cards in the citizen centers of Berlin, we find that individuals with an East German family background cheat significantly more on an abstract task than those with a West German family background. The longer individuals were exposed to socialism, the more likely they were to cheat on our task. While it was recently argued that markets decay morals (Falk and Szech, 2013), we provide evidence that other political and economic regimes such as socialism might have an even more detrimental effect on individuals’ behavior.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2457000
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jul 23, 2014 - 05:57pm PT
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 23, 2014 - 06:32pm PT
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blueringworm: attempting to explain reality to you is about as much a lost cause as trying to teach a stone monkey how to fart.*
You seem incapable of understanding the concept of verifiable facts, and your pathetic attempts to justify your delusional assertions would get you laughed out of any respectable educational institution.
Yes, the Bush clan and their associates are war criminals. Most of the civilized world would agree with this statement.
I'll give you ONE fact that I hope even your diseased mind can comprehend: there's this thing called the Geneva Conventions, and it was negotiated to set some kind of rules to control the devastation caused by modern warfare, regardless of the cause.
The murder and torture by the Japanese of uncounted Allied POWs (mainly U.S.) during WW II therefore was perfectly legal under Japanese law BECAUSE THE JAPANESE WERE NOT SIGNATORIES TO THESE AGREEMENTS.
Now that the U.S. has legalized the torture of POWs, what do morons like you figure is in store for U.S. servicemen if they get captured by a hostile power who, like the U.S., refuses to acknowledge this and other international agreements?
What the f*#k is the matter with you? Almost every U.S. citizen I have met has been a generous, friendly human being - then you crawl out of the darkness to indelibly stain the flag of the United States by subjecting harmless people to your evil ravings while attempting to pass clinically paranoid fantasies as reality. You should be ashamed of yourself for this fascist crap. There's already plenty of misery all over the planet without you happily attempting to impose additional suffering upon innocents.
*Bernard Cornwell, I think.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 23, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
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Bluering! Maybe it's time to start a new inflammatory and totally stupid thread, before Ron Anderson beats you to it.
I know you can get a lot of attention with these titles!
May I suggest???
Obamists!
Ukrainests!
Israilists!
Illegal Imigrantists!
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