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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 18, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
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Stewart, a bit off topic, but the family (Casey) folklore is that Uncle Bill showed up at the farm in West Virginia (my grandfather, Papa Casey was a well-respected judge in WVA - a statue of him is in Pittsburgh PA for helping the miners and steel workers for free - fighting the bosses - after retiring from the bench - Grandpa Sawyer was a well-respected judge in Olympia, Washington).
I digress, so family folkore is that Uncle Bill showed up at the farm in a Canadian commando uniform. I do not believe that.
Yes he and the two Canucks (excuse me, I was waiting to use that, says Yank Patrick) did escape, apparently the one Canadian exchanged cigarettes for wire cutters, and Uncle Bill said that they had a devil of time to making it to Allied lines and safety, at one point hiding in bushes in an ant hill, ants crawling all over them as a German patrol went by.
But the Canadian commando uniform bit, I think was perhaps, I don't really know, but perhaps an embellishment, I mean, once back in England (and escaped or freed Allied POWs were sent home, no more front line duty, as I understand it), he would have been transferred to an US Army outfit. I think.
But you know uncles, they can exaggerate. But he and the two Canucks, yuck yuck Canuck, did escape, that is fact. The Canadian commando uniform bit, I just don't see it.
Back on topic, from what I gather from other Taco Standers who know Bluering, he seems like a sincere guy, just brainwashed.
EDIT (I have to, I am compelled to)
for helping the miners and steel workers for free - fighting the bosses
So by Bluering's reckoning, if Papa Casey helped the workers to fight the bosses, he was fighting capitalism, hence he was a communist. So not only was he a good liberal Irish-American, but, by what Bluering espouses, could have been a Commie, helping the proletariat.
Nah, that is a huge stretch, nothing doing. He was an honest and just judge. But felt for the "little man".
What about you Bluey, do you feel for the worker? Rest assured, you do not have to be a Commie to side with the average person, with the working class, with the middle class, of which your saints Thatcher, Reagan and Bushes - to name a few - want to keep down, under their thumbs. To brainwash with Faux News.
Think about it Bluering. Who do you really support?
And nothing wrong with the boss, if he/she is a good one. But is it profit before people, or people before profit. Perhaps, with intelligence, it can be both… amicalbly. Working together. It can happen.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Aug 18, 2014 - 04:52pm PT
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Hi Patrick: There was a joint Yank/Canuck commando force called the First Special Services Brigade which fought in Italy. There was a movie made about these guys called "The Devil's Brigade". I'm not clear on what their uniforms looked like, but they were seriously tough guys who, if memory serves me properly never once failed to take their objectives. They wore a red arrowhead patch with the words Canada/U.S.A. within its borders.
Just to blur things even more, Canadians served in the U.S. military and other Commonwealth forces (including the British commandos) and some Yanks served in Commonwealth forces, which sometimes led to confusion about someone's nationality based on their uniform alone. As A matter of fact, during the Dieppe fiasco, which caused the loss of over 900 Canadian lives in a few hours, there was a detachment of 50(?) U.S. Rangers that landed with them, and I believe that 3 of them were killed - the first uniformed U.S. army casualties in the European war, if my admittedly fallible memory serves me correctly.
Hope some of this may be of interest.
I'll save you some time waiting for blueringworm's opinion regarding worker's rights. It goes something like "they're already overpaid, and if they're not delighted with their earnings, then they're commies."
The only "worker's" rights he's interested in are those of billionaires, proof of which can be found in his amazing inability to respond to repeated inquiries about the fairness of 1% of the U.S. population controlling 37% of the nation's wealth.
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couchmaster
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Can't say if they were ever sic'ed on the Germans up in the Dolomites Stewart, but when the war ended, Berlin was in flames -Hitler was dead and the Reich had surrendered, there were still well armed German units dug in and unsurrendered up in the Italian mountains. They walked out later when they were damned good and ready, never having been beaten.
Father in laws unit, the most decorated unit in the US Army during WW2, took an unsuccessful shot at dislodging them before they were pulled out to try and rescue the lost battalion.
Which went horribly wrong.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Hey couchmaster: Are you referring to the 442nd Regimental Combat Team? If so, the bad news is that, as you say, they were shot to pieces. The good news, if it can be called that under the circumstances, was that they indeed made contact with the "Lost Battalion" and led the survivors to safety. Hope that I'm correct about this, as I'm not especially familiar with the details.
The 442nd RCT was one hell of an outfit, and they should be remembered with honour, as should all of our veterans who put their lives on the line to rid the world of fascism.
History has been brutally indifferent to the Allied forces who fought in the Italian Campaign. Their massive contribution to victory in Europe has been pretty well ignored by later generations - as a matter of fact, an inbred English aristocrat at the time unspeakably insulted these brave servicemen by labelling them the "D-Day Dodgers", as if it was a crime to make the first permanent Allied foothold in Europe nearly a year before the Normandy landings.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Hay, Bluering!
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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blueringworm has now assured me that he intends to continue with this thread - possibly the most dumb-ass thread in the history of the internet - but didn't bother to explain why he hasn't answered any of the repeated questions as to what on earth he was talking about in the first place - namely what on earth the "anything American" these legions of cunningly hidden commies were opposed to in the first place.
I guess he's still busy collating the objective facts Fox news has provided him with on August 17, the date of his last posting.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 02:01am PT
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what on earth the "anything American" these legions of cunningly hidden commies were opposed to in the first place.
Is that a question or a statement? As a commie yourself you should be aware of the answer to that innocuous crap. I've already pointed out the agenda.
Stop saying I don't answer your stupid questions. Read the f*#king thread, idiot!
EDIT: Hi, Edris...
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Further to my previous post, Bluey.
I wonder if you are one of these nutcases who thinks surrender is a bad word. My Uncle Bill and my Uncle Joe had no alternative, they were injured and left behind, by no desire by their own command, that is just the way war is. But of course Bluering, who has never seen action (neither have I), may (I stress MAY) think that they were cowards for being surrounded, injured, and maybe should have committed Hari Kari, or something.
But you, with your big blue balls would never surrender to the enemy. You are a hero in your mind.
You espouse war. You, in my mind, are in someways no better than ISIS. Off with their heads. That is medevial, but that Bluering, unless you can say otherwise, is your way. Bluering = ISIS.
The Islamic States are vicious, they are knowlegable, they know how to use the media and technology, make no mistake about it. But headless chickens like you Bluering, sort of frightening as well.
You, Bluey, in your own way, tries to use the internet to espouse your hatred of people that do not agree with you. You call them names. Commies, immigrants (like your ancestors originated in America, yeah right) as you started this thread, so, really, and think about it, are you really any different than ISIS?
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I wrote the above without reading the last few posts. Bluering, you need help before you set a bomb off on Fisherman's Wharf, or Pier 39 or University of California Berkeley. You need help buddy. Anger management? Or more.
I thought, one day if we ever met, that despite our ideological differences, we could rope up. But now hmmm…
Bluering, seek help. Seriously, and not from your anti-American friends and their BS literature about how liberals are bad. To me, you are ISIS. Can I say that again, you are the American ISIS, just with a different religion and agenda, still dogmatic, insular. IMO, you are bad news, perhaps more invasive than Islamic extremists in American society.
I challenge you to my assertions that you are as much a nutcase as ISIS. (Albeit, without the beheadings, but I wonder in your case).
Fire away buddy.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 10:05am PT
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I wrote the above without reading the last few posts. Bluering, you need help before you set a bomb off on Fisherman's Wharf, or Pier 39 or University of California Berkeley. You need help buddy. Anger management? Or more.
I thought, one day if we ever met, that despite our ideological differences, we could rope up. But now hmmm…
Bluering, seek help. Seriously, and not from your anti-American friends and their BS literature about how liberals are bad. To me, you are ISIS. Can I say that again, you are the American ISIS, just with a different religion and agenda, still dogmatic, insular. IMO, you are bad news, perhaps more invasive than Islamic extremists in American society.
I challenge you to my assertions that you are as much a nutcase as ISIS. (Albeit, without the beheadings, but I wionder in your case).
Fire away buddy.
What? Are you completely f*#king crazy?
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Kumbaya brothers and sisters,
If I say the word 'love thy neighbor' will I be branded a commie too? I did vote twice for President Barack Obama, the current Commander in Chief. Does that mean I'm brainwashed by the liberal right wing media also?
I have a family friend who does anger management counseling pro bono if any there are any takers. Nothing wrong with a little constructive self examination now and then. Helps with the blood pressure at any rate. Let me know.
Peace out,
-bushman
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 10:47am PT
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If I say the word 'love thy neighbor' will I be branded a commie too? I did vote twice for President Barack Obama, the current Commander in Chief. Does that mean I'm brainwashed by the liberal right wing media also?
Yeah, you're either brainwashed or a fool. Especially voting for him the second time...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 10:57am PT
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Hey Dingus, you'll be happy to know I may start contracting with the Navy or Air Force as a 'technician'.
Does that qualify as a 'served-nik'.?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 11:12am PT
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Bicycle Repairman is just keeping the world safe from global Communism.
These are the 'idiots' I'm talking about. They have no clue, and don't operate in reality. I work in reality, logic, and solving problems.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Damn...wish I could vote for Barack a "third" time, but Hillary will do. Maybe we can get Obama's great start all the way up to single payer.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Blueringworm - you're priceless. Especially when you pretend that you're not just another brainwashed neo-fascist mouth-breather. I say that with my sincerest attempts to be fair to you.
Perhaps you can help all of us lesser beings by providing a list of carefully itemized (and verifiable) points explaining what these clearly non-existent commies are against that makes them against "anything American". Since you lack the intelligence to do this job properly, I expect to see a LONG list of verifiable facts, since such a ridiculously sweeping statement has to cover a lot of ground. You can start by answering my question about whether you think it's fair for 1% of the U.S. population to control 37% of its wealth. Unlike you, I cited sources for this figure, and even included one of your favourites - The Daily Mail - in a failed attempt to encourage you to be objective when quoting your ludicrous crap.
You haven't answered a single question of mine that hasn't come out of the pages of Mein Kampf - or Fox "news". People who aren't psychotic or stupid don't consider your sources to be objective.
I might be wrong here, but often lizards like you dare to refer to themselves as Christians, so are you familiar with the Sermon on the Mount? Christ would spit on someone who has defiled his name as much as phonies like you and your buddies have done.
Have you EVER gotten laid? Has your partner ever responded with anything other than gritted teeth? I didn't think so. Try a little tenderness next time. Sorry to get personal, but you really have to do something to develop a sense of kindness.
Oh, yeah - I'm not a communist, and I made that as clear as daylight on my first post. Unlike you, I would be enough of a man to admit it.
God help the United States AND the U.S. armed forces if they're desperate enough to scrape the bottom of the barrel hard enough to approach white trash like you for advice.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 03:20pm PT
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Damn...wish I could vote for Barack a "third" time, but Hillary will do. Maybe we can get Obama's great start all the way up to single payer.
This is the problem with people like you, you'll blindly vote Democrat without thinking. I saw Obama for what he was from the outset. But you'll probably keep making excuses for him.
It's all the Repub's fault....
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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For those who are as horrified as I am to realize that blueringworm is actually serious about his rants, please ask your psychology profs to check him out. While I admit that I'm not a psychiatrist, paranoid and psychotic are what I'd bet the farm on.
What really scares me is that he appears to think that the U.S. military wants his advice. If this is not yet another one of his delusions, be afraid. Be very afraid.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
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Stewart, do you have a question for me?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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blueringworm: Point form from VERIFIABLE sources - not Fox news or Mein Kampf:
-What on earth do you mean when you say "anything American?"
-Do you think it is fair for 1% of U.S. citizens to control 37% of the nation's wealth?
Duuuh. Psychotic, paranoid, and dumber than a bag of hammers.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
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-Do you think it is fair for 1% of U.S. citizens to control 37% of the nation's wealth?
Yes. How should "fair" be defined in your world?
Or would it be "unfair" to tax people more highly because they are more successful? Or more fiduciarally wise.
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