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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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IMO the Fascists, who were essentially the Military, the Catholic church, and Monarchists, benefited from a "Clarity of Purpose" and, of course, backing from Nazi Germany. The Republic, on the other hand, seriously suffered from dissension amongst their ranks. It's nearly impossible to keep straight the alphabet soup of acronyms of the disparate groups that comprised the Republic and their allegiances, which evolved during the war. The best example is when Communists on May 3, 1937 stormed the telephone exchange in Barcelona which was occupied by the anarcho-syndicalist CNT (National Labor Party). This lead to several days of brutal street fighting, pitting different groups within the Republic against each other. Some consider this a turning point.
However, May 1937 offers important lessons to anarcho-syndicalists and all revolutionaries. The actions of the Communists show them for what they truly are, another ruling class in waiting. The actions of the anarchist ministers also serve as proof that the politics of the state are a dead end for the working class. The state is corrupt in itself and cannot be used to bring revolution just as a thorn bush cannot produce figs. Only the actions of the workers themselves can bring about revolution and a truly libertarian communist society.
http://www.solfed.org.uk/da/the-may-days-in-barcelona-1937
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2016 - 11:36am PT
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Steve, the communists were fighting against the fascists in Spain. So yeah, not brethren. Dolt
I was referring more to what communists and fascists usually resort to in conflicts.
But I didn't know the commies fighting the Spaniards were commies. I just thought they were "freedom fighters". Same thing in their case I guess....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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where is Bernie sanders on the list of communists looking to destroy america
Right at the very TOP damnit!! Just look at the scary little pinko, you can tell he's out to destroy us. Marching with MLK and the like....
Only Trump or Senor Cruz can make America Great Again!!
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Simple question Blue
Do you consider all progressive liberals or Democratic Socialists as Communists?
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MattB
Trad climber
Tucson
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Ooooh... I like this conversation about the Spanish Civil War...
"Red" vs "White" atrocities seem very different to me... as described above a few posts.
Red, more petty, juvenile, and condemned (by death) by the major left leadership
White (Francist) atrocities officially endorsed and executed. Lasted decades after the war ended.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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from Wikipedia...
Red Terror mostly directed toward the Catholic Church
President Manuel Azaña [President of the 2nd Spanish Republic when the Civil War broke out] made the well-publicized comment that all of the convents in Madrid were not worth one Republican life.
Figures for the Red Terror range from 38,000 to 110,000. In October 2008, the Spanish newspaper La Razon published an article on the number of murders of Catholic clergy members and religious people.
May 1931: 100 church buildings are burned while firefighters refuse to extinguish the flames.
1932: 3000 Jesuits expelled. Church buildings burned with impunity in 7 cities.
1934: 33 priests murdered in the Asturias Revolution.
1936: one day before July 18, the day the war started, 17 clergymen were murdered.
From July 18 to August 1: 861 clergymen murdered in 2 weeks.
August 1936: 2077 clergymen murdered, more than 70 a day. 10 of them bishops.
September 14: 3400 clergymen murdered during the first stages of the war.
White Terror
Estimates range from 150,000 victims to 400,000. Concrete figures do not exist, as many supporters and sympathizers of the Republic fled Spain after losing the Civil War. Furthermore, the Francoist government destroyed thousands of documents relating to the White Terror and tried to hide the executions of the Republicans. Gabriel Jackson states that: Thousands of victims of the White Terror are buried in hundreds of unmarked common graves (over 2,000), more than 600 in Andalusia alone. The largest of these is the common grave at San Rafael cemetery on the outskirts of Malaga (with perhaps more than 4,000 bodies). The Association for the Recovery of Historical Memory (Asociación para la Recuperación de la Memoria Historica or ARMH) says that the number of disappeared is over 35,000.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Democratic Socialism does NOT = Communism
In this entertaining film excerpt, Slavoj Zizek explains Stalinism and Totalitarianism. There is some great historical footage in this video of elaborate pageantry in the form of May 9th Victory Day parades in Red Square probably from the early 1950s...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Ricky! Re your comment:
There are only two tribes: Bluering's tribe and every other tribe. Strangely Communist is his shorthand for the latter.
Yeah. That makes sense to me, even though there's no sense it his thoughts.
SOB'S = Commies = those that don't agree with you.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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TT, I ain't gonna listen to no revisionist in a Chairman Mao shirt explain sh!t. ;-)
Here's Sergei Efimov being 'explained' to about Brezhnevism in 1978 when he
got a tad uppity with the immigration officer on behalf of Ben 'Dumbsh!t' Reid,
who showed up without a visa. LOL! They held him in a locked room at the
airport 'hotel' for a couple of days until the appropriate feathers got smoothed.
Phukking great photo if I do say so.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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TT, I ain't gonna listen to no revisionist in a Chairman Mao shirt explain sh!t. ;-) I wouldn't post a video if I didn't think it was interesting and entertaining. This is not bullsh*t revisionist Stalinist propaganda. In this <10 min video, Zizek explains Totalitarianism in terms of "Absolutism" (the so-called Big Other) and compares Stalinist authoritarian Communist regimes to religious fundamentalism.
I luv your photo. How did you manage to take it without being detected?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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I thought that EXACT same thing when I watched the second to last Dem debate Cosmic. Or maybe a la Kim Jong Il. That neon calf-shit yellow thing bulletproof androgyne uni-top was TFM!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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TT, just jerkin' yer chain. I should have said "As a Russian Studies major
I don't need no splainin'." ;-)
I got that shot by pre-setting the focus and exposure and pulling my old
coughing trick to mask the shutter. I was also about 12' away and they
were going at it pretty good. There was some risk though - dude would
KNOTT have been happy!
The next day I almost copped it when I took a pic of the front doors of
the Party Headquarters. You'd have thought I was taking a shot up the
skirt of Brezhnev's old lady! Damn but if I didn't have to do some acting
like a dumbphuk American who can't speak Roosky! They were some
awesome doors, though.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Confiscating your film would have been the least of it.
In 1972 my German wife drove the corridor from Braunschweig to visit family in West Berlin. She got a flat tire on the way that delayed her ~1 hour. When she arrived at the corridor checkpoint to enter West Berlin where they normally search the vehicle the guard noticed the trip had taken more than the allotted time. She was escorted into a back room for interrogation to explain the 1 hour time gap. She recalls that the experience was somewhat intimidating but they released her unharmed.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Apr 19, 2016 - 09:33pm PT
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4/20 is not just Hitler's birthday, but the start of the Battle of Berlin. We all know what happened there.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Comrade Bluey! Greetings, Fellow worker, on International Worker's Day!
Don't forget: Organize and smash the State!
(Ever notice the eerie resemblance between Karl and Howard Kaylan?)
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 1st, International Workers' Day: that reminds me of absurd communist ideals, like this one, looming out to us in from the past:
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Social Justice Warriors, Unite!!!
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kattz
climber
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It's good to have May 1 without the Communists and mandatory parade participation... Amen. "Democratic socialists", "socialists" and "communists" are the same thing, essentially, don't be fooled. The principles are: what's yours is mine and "we'll control you" and "if you're not with us, you're against us".
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