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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
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And its probably worth noting that the use of the term 'communist' to describe any nation is an incorrect use of the word. I'm not sure that we've seen any nation actually achieve communism. Most countries that ventured down the path to communism ended up as dictatorships. That's sort of an important distinction to make; because as we all know, "absolute power corrupts absolutely."
And just as you all love to get on a soapbox and defend your right to possess guns, I'll always defend peoples' right to peaceably assemble.
I agree. Communism can come in many forms, degrees.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Feb 24, 2010 - 02:22pm PT
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Blue - what do you call medicare and social security? What do you call taxing people's income and giving it to banks? What do you call paying interest on federal deficits by using social security and medicare funds?
What do you call camping out in Joshua Tree and sharing food and beer with all your fellow campers?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 02:40pm PT
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What do you call taxing people's income and giving it to banks? What do you call paying interest on federal deficits by using social security and medicare funds?
A broken system that needs fixing.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
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bunch of clap trap
what are the conditions of satisfaction that we can say one system is in fact 'socialism' in the perjoratively defined way, and likewise for 'capitalism' otherwise this is just flapping gums and needs to be stopped on or shunted to the Dr F thread that has so neatly kept things contained in 20000 posts or less.
false dichotomies on either side.
actually economists will tell you that blended economies are the ones that provide for what pro-american approaches think is success for society.
neither strictly command based, nor stricly laissez faire.
i gotta stop reading these threads.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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Communists are great...
...served with fava beans and a nice chianti.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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It is likely that true communists in the USA are as rare as wolves in Idaho, or grizzly bears in California. A fantasy bogeyman.
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Gene
Social climber
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:24pm PT
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Communists are so 20th Century.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:27pm PT
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What's wrong with communism?
It's just never existed in it's true form.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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Right you are MH but there are some wolves in ID. but no Grizzlies in Cali.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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Do they taste good deep fried or are they just bad eats?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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It's [capitalism] worked pretty damn well for all of us at the taco.
The majority of the world is capitalist and yet the majority of the world barely manages to not starve. How's that working out?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 24, 2010 - 04:04pm PT
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It is likely that true communists in the USA are as rare as wolves in Idaho, or grizzly bears in California.
Except on college and university campuses.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Feb 24, 2010 - 04:07pm PT
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Check out the home page of Blue's link--now there's some cutting-edge, honest jounalism (sarc)
Sounds like the article is trying to scare people...
...well, just Bluey ;-)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 04:17pm PT
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Mojede, they call them "incompetent" in the link, as they were. The point is that they were indoctrinated with commie propaganda. Kinda like our own SDS terrorists.
And I'm not afraid of commies, I just don't like their philosophies and what they're trying to do.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Feb 24, 2010 - 04:30pm PT
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Being overly concerned with deviant out-layers on the normal curve of life/people tends to disrupt the norm and leads to chaos/anarchy--you wouldn't want any of the latter, would you now sir?
If no dissent can take place in this country, then it's pretty much over...
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Binks
Social climber
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Feb 24, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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I thought the current wingnut argument was like this:
Reforming health care is socialism, because some countries that have more socialist practices than us have socialized medicine.
Following on this impeccable line of reasoning, I've noticed that communist countries frequently have a strong military. Is having a strong military a sign of communism? It's funded by tax payer dollars too after all.
No correlation is too specious for the wingnut media pundits that love to sell their swill!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Last clip of Lichen Lunch
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Feb 24, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
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Here we just have Anti-socialism.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Last clip of Lichen Lunch
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Feb 24, 2010 - 04:35pm PT
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There really aren't that many, man.
I've seen 1, in 8 years.
Seen lotsa wingnuts, though. LOTS!
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