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donini
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Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 24, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
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Poor lad, but they keep coming up with better treatment.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 06:57pm PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 07:10pm PT
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Here Wes, from Congressional record and excerpted from "The Naked Communist";
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .
Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
http://upssa.com/1963-congress.htm
Look familiar?
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Binks
Social climber
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:20pm PT
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"Red China". Gotta love that 1963 style. Blue, as your Dr. I'm prescribing Oxycontin and the viewing of Dr. Strangelove on endless loop for the next three days. Please try this and come see me in a week if problems persist.
Just who we all know who the esteemed "Cleon" is:
Willard (W.) Cleon Skousen (January 20, 1913 – January 9, 2006) was a Mormon American conservative author and political commentator. A prominent figure in some strains of American conservatism (associated with the John Birch Society), Skousen authored books on politics and Mormonism. In 2008, political commentator and media personality Glenn Beck began recommending Skousen's works, sparking new interest in his ideas and publications.
-Wikipedia
I wonder if he knows what the Urim and Thummim are? Ya think?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:39pm PT
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Look familiar?
Ever read The Blue Book?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 07:40pm PT
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I love how you guys blow this off paranoid delusion. Off course, that's part of the agenda, right?
When commies tell you how they're going to destroy your society, culture, and country and it's actively pursued till this day, and you want to ignore it, I can only conclude you've been brainwashed (prolly in college) or are a proud communist.
And that's fine, just don't deny it or try to tell me I'm paranoid.
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So Binks, do you deny that is the communist agenda?
The communist manifesto lays it out, dude.
http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation_process/hdn003.htm
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:42pm PT
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26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
Who is doing this to the US? I didn't have time to read it all.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:43pm PT
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That's all right, bluering. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:48pm PT
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I love how you guys blow this off paranoid delusion. Off course, that's part of the agenda, right?
When RIGHT WING FANATICS tell you how they're going to destroy your society, culture, and country and it's actively pursued till this day, and you want to ignore it, I can only conclude you've been brainwashed (prolly in college) or are a proud RIGHT WING FANATIC.
And that's fine, just don't deny it or try to tell me I'm paranoid.
EDIT:
the difference between BLUEY and the people of the USSR was that the people of the USSR KNEW they were being bombed with propaganda, and hence they didnt believe a lot of that sh&&. bluey just doesnt know it yet...
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Binks
Social climber
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:50pm PT
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I think it's a right wing agenda to pretend there is still a relevant communist agenda that is operative in America. Sadly, this does qualify as paranoid delusion. There is no such grouping. Believing in something that isn't there, or trying to graft it onto other groups as some sort of "secret infiltration" appears to me to be futile and false at best, likely just a mask for a naked grab for power.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
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I'm not saying you have to believe me. This is just an area to discuss the issue.
In my defensse, however, look at the stated goals of communists and look at leftist policy and progressives in this country.
I would expect closet commies to call me names, marginalize it, or call it some right-wing conspiracy.
Whatever...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:57pm PT
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It's 2010, there are a multitude of very thorny problems confronting us- communism isn't one of them.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:57pm PT
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Pickpockets need a distraction, so that you don't notice that your wallet is being lifted.
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gonzo chemist
climber
a crucible
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Feb 24, 2010 - 08:23pm PT
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"look at the stated goals of communists and look at leftist policy and progressives in this country."
Blue,
it's time to turn off the Glenn Beck program. Too much of that garbage will melt your brain.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 24, 2010 - 08:24pm PT
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too late gonzo, looks like tha damage is done.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 08:31pm PT
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Blue,
it's time to turn off the Glenn Beck program.
This is the last time I will state I refuse to watch that man. He's not an intelligent man even though he thinks he's clever. He's a media tool.
You think the only people concerned with subversive commie goals in this country are Glen Beck and his crew?
It sounds like you guys watch him, not I. I blew that dude off after he started crying about his alcoholism and religion. Give me a break!!!!
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Feb 24, 2010 - 08:33pm PT
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Chuck Norris would kick all commies and democratics asses with his feet tied up. Go climb!
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Srbphoto
Trad climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 24, 2010 - 08:50pm PT
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The last great Marxist
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."
Groucho Marx
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 09:11pm PT
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That was only a year ago. I'm glad you're finally admitting you were a disciple of Beck's for three full years. Unfortunately that's too long to expect any reasonable recovery. Your future surely involves medication.
Are you an idiot? You ASSUME I was watching from the get-go? And why is that such an issue when the commies are telling THEMSELVES what they want?
Why are you stuck on this Beck thing?
EDIT:
It's very questionable if it really was from the 50's-70's.
Yeah, okay...let's just re-write history too. They f*#king admitted it!!!!
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Feb 24, 2010 - 09:15pm PT
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I think we're just wondering you sound like his parrot.
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