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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 15, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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For the first time: I find myself in agreement with Donald Thompson statements on ST.
On physicians advice last year, Heidi got off birth-control pills.
She then had accelerated Menopause and hourly "hot-flashes."
She then was prescribed Effexor at a low doseage for the "hot-flashes."
One tablet fuked her up for 24 hours, with symptoms including total insomnia, blackouts, and paranoid delusions.
One tablet was enough.
She has had problems this year with back and hip pain related to nerves damaged from a hard "butt-plant" on ice. Things are now getting better, but every physician along the way offered her prescriptions for antidepressants, not for depression, but for supposed arthritus and/or pain.
After a bunch of research, often at crazymeds.com, she is flat out scared to take any antidepressant. http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage
The sh#t is way over-prescribed and can have horrible side-effects.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 15, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
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And as usual Ron can't even get a quote right..."In short, the attribution of this quote to Plato remains most questionable, while its appearence in works by George Santayana is a fact, and the possibility that the source of its misattribution to Plato be General McArthur is quite real, though not proven."
Please show something linking that quote to Plato.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 15, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
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At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. There have been 109 wounded and 58 killed.
Association does not equal causation. You learn that on the first day in Statistics 101.
Saying that the psychiatric drugs causes mass shootings is like saying that flies cause garbage.
Who are the people most likely to commit mass murder? Normal people or psycho nut cases?
Who are the people most likely to be taking psychiatric drugs? Normal people or psycho nut cases?
I think heaven and hell exist. I think hell is what we live physically- and how we handle that determines our heaven.
Profound statement, may I use that statement myself?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 15, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
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Ron wrote: Well Bob,, you COULD just look at recorded history to know whomever made that statement thus far, in thousands of years have been quite correct.
In your world...not mine.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 15, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
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Jhedge:
Hers's something I can point to that isn't speculative - the shootings wouldn't have occurred if the shooters hadn't had guns.
Joe, I have to point out that you are missing an "e" in the first word of your post
as you have always shown perfect editing skill, this is inexcusable
we expect more out of you
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 15, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
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Food for thought:
"The 2nd Amendment was written as a reaction to insure individual freedom against the potential of an oppressive government. It then was used to support the westward expansion of our nation, and continues to this day into what we think of as the frontier society, from whence so many of our beliefs and laws are derived. The idea of a frontier society, though dramatic and interesting as a formative story in the creation of our country, needs to be mourned and put in our past. Aside from hunting, let's advocate for the abolishment of all weapons by private citizens that could cause the death of another. We have enough checks and balances in our institutions to insure against the potential of undemocratic action by our government. I can see how this measure was important with a newly formed nation, but it no longer applies. The cost in human life to maintaining this right is unconscionable."
Really...why is there 300 million guns in the US?? Almost 200 handgun deaths a week. WTF!
Here is what we do know...the countries with the strictest gun laws have the least deaths by guns.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 15, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
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further comment on posting while including quotes from others
first highlight and copy the quote
then paste the quote
then highlight the entire quote again
then click on the '' symbol, the fourth from the left under Please enter your reply below
this will then properly place the quote in a cool separate window
thank you for observing posting etiquette
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Dec 15, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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We have enough checks and balances in our institutions to insure against the potential of undemocratic action by our government.
Really? I think that the forefathers of this great nation thought differently. I think that they knew that all of the bad things that people do and become just don't go away and that we need protection until the end of time against the tyranny of an oppressive government.
Did the Patriot Act Give or take away peoples civil rights, even just a tiny bit? That didn't happen in the old west, it happened now.
Maybe we don't have an oppressive undemocratic government because civilians are armed. Who can know for sure?
Dave
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 15, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
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God has not been allowed in schools since 1962.
Good.
You want your kid to read the bible, pray to allah, chant all day?
Send them to a private school--NOT a taxpayer-paid public school.
Quit shoving YOUR mythological, hocus pocus, Gawd babble down everyone else's throat.
Oh yeah, and read the damned First Amendment.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 15, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 15, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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Bob, I wish you would post more often
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 15, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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So you can have people being raised by their video games, with images of death and destruction that they end up living out, or we can raise kids with the idea that loving their neighbor as they love themselves, is a good way to roll.
We should raise our kids that way, but god doesn't have to come into the picture.
You are free to raise your kids however you want, but not everyone accepts the same god as you. Does that make them damned?
All major religions teach the same moral code, so teach your kids with whatever name you put on that code, and leave your personal god at home. You are a great parent, rest easy in that your kids are growing up the way that you see fit.
But, god stays at home and in church in regards to discussion. It has no place in schools. Schools are for learning, not indoctrination.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 15, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
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or we can raise kids with the idea that loving their neighbor as they love themselves, is a good way to roll.
thanks for pointing that out, Cragman
and parents can teach their children that without also making them believe they have an imaginary old bearded friend up in the sky somewhere
another imaginary friend is coming soon, Santa
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 15, 2012 - 04:15pm PT
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Cragman wrote: God has not been allowed in schools since 1962.
Really...so what were the nuns teaching me in third grade then?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 15, 2012 - 04:18pm PT
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And now, a word from our sponsors.
Credit: bvb
Bob, isn't that very inappropriate? Jesus, have some humanity...
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 15, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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Why do you talk to Jesus with that tone, Blue?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 15, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
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Really...so what were the nuns teaching me in third grade then?
Bob, those nuns were not teaching in public schools but private Catholic ones
Like you, I wore my little uniform in a private Catholic grade school
and then spent all four years of high school in a private, all boys Christian Brothers institution
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 15, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
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Cragman wrote: Public schools, Bob.
Really...you are still wrong.
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