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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2010 - 08:33pm PT
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yeah, let's just dismiss it....
...or is that part of the game-plan. Racist? Too religious? Too culturalistic? Too nationalistic?
We should just accept and submit.
EDIT:
re: Glen Beck
Why do you assume I take any creedence in him?
I don't!
The vid is funny, but look at what's happened before you dismiss what I'm talking about. Look at what these fools are taught and then look at what's happend over the last 20-40 years.
Commies. Yeah, an alarmist word like 'Global Warming', but based in many more facts. A gov't of semi-radical to radical neo-Marxists. A silent change.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Feb 23, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
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One thing I've came to realize lately, if I rely on politiceans to provide for my happiness, I'll be sorely disapointed. If I rely upon myself for my happiness, I only have myself to blame if I fail to deliver.
So long as they stay out of my way, and leave me a couple rubels, I really don't give much credence to what the politiceans say and do.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2010 - 09:15pm PT
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Ed, what are your personal thoughts on cultural-Marxism and a slow roll into neo-Marxism or maybe into Fascism?
Is it happening as their doctrine prescribes, a natural cultural evolution or "progression'?
Why is Wes a commie?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 23, 2010 - 09:35pm PT
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why are you worried about communists?
and especially given that almost nothing secret is possible these days... it seems you have constructed a boogieman which does not really exist.
Also, you have confused communism and fascism, really quiet different things...
communism is an economic philosophy (ideology?): "1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed"
fascism: "1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"
you might be worried about totalitarianism: "1 : centralized control by an autocratic authority" which has happened in both communist and fascist governments...
I don't know what Wes is, aside from a poster here on the SuperTopo, who boulders hard... his economic/political philosophy is revealed only in bits and pieces in his posts and these do not constitute a complete exposition of his thoughts.
Also, I think the stuff you've posted on the "Frankfurt School" probably is not attributable to them directly, it seems to be a worry on the web site I linked to above: http://catholicinsight.com/online/features/article_882.shtml a web site concerned with challenges to religious authority.
The article from which your quote is excerpted has a number of rather fantastic claims against the "Frankfurt School." It is a rather paranoid fantasy that less than 20 people have taken over all of western civilization, and starting in 1923?
I find it not really worth seriously debating...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2010 - 09:43pm PT
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I don't know what Wes is, aside from a poster here on the SuperTopo, who boulders hard... his economic/political philosophy is revealed only in bits and pieces in his posts and these do not constitute a complete exposition of his thoughts.
What are you a f*#king scientist???? (I know you are)
You are a judicious and diplomatic man, I'll give you that. And good on ya for that!
Sometimes I wonder how you resist my annoyance, and then I appreciate the Hartouni-effect. Just the facts, maam....
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Feb 23, 2010 - 09:51pm PT
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Ed- what's the proper word for being ruled by corporations?
I'm way more scared of the rich than I am of some whiny hippies. People stopped listening to those guys some time in the late 80's I believe was the last gasp.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Last clip of Lichen Lunch
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Feb 23, 2010 - 09:53pm PT
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Economic-totalitarianism?
I'll just be a commie....a hippy commie.
Or some such.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Feb 23, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
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oligarchy.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 23, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
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what's the proper word for being ruled by corporations? Kleptocracy, maybe?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 23, 2010 - 10:01pm PT
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you sillies...
capitalism: ": an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market"
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Gene
Social climber
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Feb 23, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
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Didn't SCOTUS recently weigh in on this?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 23, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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Feb 23, 2010 - 10:17pm PT
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Look at what these fools are taught and then look at what's happend over the last 20-40 years.
For some reason, the only thing I can look at in this thread are those gals with miniskirts and machine guns.
Is that China?
Ed,
Another perspective on the difference between capitalism and other economic structures is the allocation of risk and rewards. Capitalism encourages individual risk by allowing for individual reward. Socialism tries to mitigate risk by spreading it across the population.
Gary: your comic doesn't mention risk, but how risk is managed is key concept in any economic system. The rich guy gets the money because he takes the risks (of course he has more to risk in the first place...)
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 23, 2010 - 10:22pm PT
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The capitalists are a parasitic minority class that feeds off the hard work of others. What do they risk? What did Goldman Sachs risk, pray tell?
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Srbphoto
Trad climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 23, 2010 - 10:38pm PT
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What did Goldman Sachs risk, pray tell?
Sachs didn't risk anything. Why? The government took our tax dollars to save them. That's not the fault of a "free" market, just the opposite.
What about the owner of a small store? Isn't that a capitalist? Every day, millions of people have everything at risk. Do you hate them too?
I am really getting sick of everyone hating on the Marxists. Rent the movie "Duck Soup" and tell me the Marxists aren't great. You bet your life!
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dktem
Trad climber
Temecula
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Feb 23, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
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What did Goldman Sachs risk, pray tell?
I'm just providing some academic background. Not trying to prove you right or wrong.
It turns out that Goldman Sachs didn't really risk much, so this is really not an example of capitalism. And that's why I think that situation is as messed up as you apparently do.
You've probably heard the expression "privatized gains, socialized losses." The GS situation was some weird hybrid of the worst of capitalism and socialism.
The solution is regulation of derivatives and investment banking relationships, as well as eliminating "too big to fail" institutions. Capitalism requires free markets, but it's well known that completely unfettered markets lead to disaster.
Buy some stock, start a business, or loan money to someone else who is. Then you are an old-fashioned capitalist. Take a risk, put your money "to work" and hope for a reward.
The stuff that is going on today doesn't have a name -- it's economics gone amok.
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