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climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 14, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
Also, do you deny that Commies have infiltrated our political system?

Uhh.. yeah. Pretty much the opposite has taken over.

1950 called .. they want their conspiracy back.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 14, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 14, 2014 - 08:49pm PT
Documentation of Communist Goals to overthrow America! (Apparently, short skirts are not one of the methods?)
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7SacredPools

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 14, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
I get all wistful (teary even) when I think back on how free and beautiful America was before the commies ruined it.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 15, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
bluering - no I haven't read the communist manifesto, but I have read Mein Kampf, which was written by a fortunately dead arsehole who shared both your logic and beliefs.

As for your ridiculous attempt to insinuate that people who don't share your neo-fascist agenda are being manipulated by the non-existent legions of commies that you vainly seek everywhere, here's a story - I was quite involved in social democratic causes when I was in university, and the only people that we found to be more pathetic than those of your ilk were the commies, and here's why:

 all the Marxists were capable of doing was boring us to death with talk about the communist manifesto. About the only thing that I think I remember about that that document was that it had a ridiculously idealistic attitude towards the positive side of human nature.

 the Troskyists actually believed that the workers and students were on the brink of uniting to overthrow the establishment. This was particularly hilarious, since most of the unionized workers were only interested in pounding anti-war students into pulp, since a peaceful world might cost unionized workers precious jobs. They also wanted to kill the Marxists and Maoists beacause they weren't REAL communists.

 the Maoists (at least the only ones I ever met) appeared to be clinically insane. As nearly as I could figure out their crap, they wanted to kill everyone (or put them into "re-education" camps).

Since you're a paranoid idiot, I doubt that you get the joke. Here's the punch line: THE COMMIES WERE TOO BUSY THREATENING AND ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER TO GET ANYTHING ORGANIZED.

If I haven't already made my point, unlike you, I was in a position to discover the existence of an effective and organized communist conspiracy to recruit "fellow travellers". Maybe such an conspiracy existed, but, if so, it was a pathetic failure.

Here's a real life fact that you may be able to correct me about if I am mistaken: it is illegal to be a communist in the U.S. without registering with the government, but it is perfectly legal to be an unregistered Nazi, a member of a violent racist organization, or a member of a psychotically paranoid militia group (are Timothy McVeigh's surviving buddies all in jail because they didn't register with the government?). I expect a response from you on this one.

bluering - as for the gigantic list of war criminals that end up in elected office, I suggest that you read a reputable newspaper, numerous books written by credible authors, or maybe even a web site that has the reputation of integrity in reporting.

As for the Bush dynasty (and the parade of gleeful murderers and thieves attracted to them like flies to a dung heap), I have no intention of writing you a book that you're too dumb to read, so I'll give you just a few notes that can be easily verified.

 Before Sadaam Hussein invaded Kuwait, he asked the U.S. ambassador to the region (April Glaspie, if I recall correctly) if the U.S. would intervene in a dispute between Iraq and Kuwait. He was informed that the U.S. had no interest in getting involved. Hussein, being an idiot as well as a U.S. ally at the time proceeded to invade Kuwait.

 Nearly all of the Iraqi soldiers sent to fight the Western coalition forces were unwilling conscripts. These people were nearly annihilated, but Bush and his cronies left the Republican Guard (Iraq's elite military unit) untouched. (The Republican Guard continued to terrorize Iraquis until Bush Sr's retarded spawn decided to try to top his daddy in the atrocity department).

 As the war was drawing to an end, Bush Sr. hinted to the Kurds and other dissident groups that they could count on support from the U.S. if they revolted against the Hussein regime. These poor fools actually thought that the President of the United States was a man of honour and obligingly mounted a rebellion. They were slaughtered by the thousands, and not so much as a band-aid materialized from the White House.

 Anyone of even average intelligence agrees the the invasion and complete destruction of Iraq under the pretext of destroying Hussein's non-existent weapons of mass destruction was a war crime. FAR more than 100,000 unarmed Iraqi civilians have died to date as a result of this atrocity, not to mention the complete destruction of that nation's infra-structure, and the loss of their entire cultural heritage.

 Many U.S. troops also died and were maimed during the above conflict, and I doubt that a single one of these people who served their nation so faithfully appreciated the fact that they were getting paid peanuts compared to the mercenaries from Haliburton - one of Cheney's (or was it Rumsfeld's?)stock holdings.

Go see a psychiatrist before you do something criminally stupid, bluering. If you offered a cash reward for the discovery of every single communist I could locate at present, I'd have to tell you that I haven't spoken to a supporter of that ideology since 1969.

P.S.: Just because someone thinks that people should treat each other kindly doesn't mean that they're commies. I just means that they don't think it's a good thing to be a greedy, vicious arsehole.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 15, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
it is illegal to be a communist in the U.S. without registering with the government...
I don't believe that to be the case. The Smith Act requires registration of Aliens, and makes conspiracy to overthrow the government a crime.

One person convicted and imprisoned under the Smith Act for being a Communist was Robert Thompson. Thompson was a recipient of the Distinguished Service Cross and received a battlefiled commission in WWII:

"For extraordinary heroism in action near Tarakena, New Guinea, on January 11, 1943. Volunteering to lead a small patrol in an attempt to establish a foothold on the opposite shore, Staff Sergeant Thompson swam the swollen and rapid Konembi River in broad daylight and under heavy enemy fire. Armed only with a pistol and hand granades, he assisted in towing a rope to the other shore where he remained under cover of the bank and directed the crossing of his platoon. Staff Sergeant Thompson then led the platoon against two enemy machine-gun emplacements which dominated the crossing, and wiped them out. The success of this action permitted the advance of the entire company and secured a bridge-head for the advance of the following units."

After his death Congress tried to keep him out of Arlington. Murray Kempton wrote:

"And so, an American who was brave has been judged and disposed of by Americans who are cowards of the least excusable sort, cowards who have very little to fear. Yesterday the Army called Robert Thompson's widow and said that it would send his ashes wherever she wished. Wherever those ashes go, the glory of America goes with them."

So there you have it, one Commie who was a far better American than bluering.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 15, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
Gary - thanks for the info. I learned something today, and it gives me hope for the future survival of Democracy in the U.S. to learn something that actually qualifies as a fact instead of a torrent of hysterical and clinically paranoid fantasies from the likes of bluering.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 15, 2014 - 04:23pm PT
Y'all should read up on the travails of Paul Robeson who was convicted in the
court of Congressional Opinion for having consorted with communists. There
is a phenomenal one man play, and play doesn't do it justice, currently
doing the rounds that was written and performed by Daniel Beaty. It is
called "The Tallest Tree In The Forest".
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 15, 2014 - 04:52pm PT
Reilly - Paul Robeson (who was black) was a pretty interesting guy. As far as my memory serves me, he actually may have been a communist - no matter. Things could have been worse - he could have spawned a twisted oreo like Condaleeza Rice. I digress. He certainly figured that a nation that enshrines the right to freedom of speech as a cherished entitlement of all U.S. citizens also granted this liberty to him.

During the 1950s McMarthy assault on democracy in the U.S., he was ordered to appear in front of their inquisitors. It escapes me what provoked the interrogator to tell Mr. Robeson to "go back to the Soviet Union" if he held the opinions that he defended. Big mistake.

One does not need to share Mr. Robeson's beliefs to appreciate the beauty of his response, which went something like: "Don't you dare tell me that. You brought my ancestors over here in chains to build this nation. This is my country and I have a right to live here".

I admit that the above quote probably isn't verbatim, but I have no doubt that the exact wording can be checked out easily enough through the miracle of the Internet, or even your local library.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 15, 2014 - 05:19pm PT
Hey Dingus - good of you to mention that slimebag McCarthy. I can hardly wait until bluering posts an adoring testimonial to that prick.

Then I get to point out to bluering that McCarthy got taken down by the U.S. Army, which I imagine is another communist organization in bluering's list of bad guys.

The quote that sank McCarthy demanded of him: "have you no honor?", which, of course, he didn't.

Hats off to the U.S. Army for doing their job, which is to protect the United States from all enemies - both foreign and domestic.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 15, 2014 - 05:28pm PT
Stewart, you got the quote close enough to do him honor. Yes, he was
for all intents a commie but hardly a bomb thrower.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 15, 2014 - 05:28pm PT
The problem with taking communism and putting it in the box marked religion is that it has all the characteristics of religion save for the redemptive factors. It stole the narrative of religion (and before the usual idiots yell at me that the people in the administration are socialists, not communists, bah. In Europe everyone who wasn’t a member of the two parties knew perfectly well the difference between them. “ Socialist is what communists say they are before they have absolute power.” They’re a Marxism of the same color) but without the transformational event (the return/arrival of the Messiah, the transformation of the world by divine power) what we get is a desperate attempt to try to fit their theological frame work to reality-as-it-is.

This is important to remember. Religious people fit their religious narrative to the world-plus-divine-grace or to an after life in which we’re all redeemed and beyond our worst dinosaurian tendencies.

The communists don’t. They just tell themselves that once evil – capitalism and profit – is removed from the world, humans will be different. (If you don’t think this is true, then you never read their tiresome nattering about Homo Sovieticus back when they still tried to justify their nonsense.) But capitalism (as in barter, trade and self interest) are intrinsic parts of being human and can’t be removed without killing society (and the humans that compose it.) And even then, capitalism and the humans that remain only go underground.

In this way Communism is akin to a religion that decided the human brain was the offending organ, without which we’d all live in unending bliss. The truth is that once you remove the brain the human no longer offends, because it no longer does anything but decompose.

So all of communism’s narrative: once there was a society of perfect sharing, without trade or self interest.>Capitalism somehow entered the world>Capitalism gets removed from the world >paradise ensues is a-priori and a-posteriori too, for that matter (they do a lot of pulling stuff out of their posteriori) a system of beliefs that denies reality. And the more the system fails in the real world, the more it denies reality. It has to, because the alternative is to stop believing in the system. And while people who “converted” as adults might be able to do this, or at least to come to a cynical position vis-à-vis communism, where they acknowledge its failures but still think it’s the best, or at least the best for them, people who have been raised in it CAN’T. They either walked away in adolescence or, if they stayed, if they’re the good kids who bought the whole thing hook line and sinker, walking away in mid-life would destroy them. It would break apart their entire ability to see an interpret things.

And that’s what we’re dealing with in the current administration. Sure, of course they’re destroying things on purpose. They’re convinced America is the embodiment of capitalism, and once it’s removed from the world equality and flowers will ensue. Everything they were taught (yeah, the progressives took over education LONG ago) tells them so. So, yeah, they’re taking Alinsky’s methods and destroying everything with remarkable success.

In fact, they’re succeeding beyond their wildest dreams.

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2014/07/15/the-wrecking-crew/
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jul 15, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
Shhh. The Red Eagle flies at midnight. Tell all travelers. I repeat, the red eagle flies at midnight.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 15, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
Flip Flop: Careful. That eagle-eyed patriot bluering might be on to us.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 15, 2014 - 06:29pm PT
So all of communism’s narrative: once there was a society of perfect sharing, without trade or self interest.>Capitalism somehow entered the world

Whoever wrote that is very ignorant. Or deceitful.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 15, 2014 - 06:44pm PT
LOL,

Spoken like a true believer.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2014 - 07:04pm PT
Here's a real life fact that you may be able to correct me about if I am mistaken: it is illegal to be a communist in the U.S. without registering with the government, but it is perfectly legal to be an unregistered Nazi, a member of a violent racist organization, or a member of a psychotically paranoid militia group (are Timothy McVeigh's surviving buddies all in jail because they didn't register with the government?). I expect a response from you on this one.

I cannot see how being a Commie is illegal. That would violate the 1st Amendment. Even being a neo-Nazi is legal, even if unregistered. I'm not sure where you heard this.

If you advocate for violence or the violent overthrow of the gov't, that's entirely different.

Before Sadaam Hussein invaded Kuwait, he asked the U.S. ambassador to the region (April Glaspie, if I recall correctly) if the U.S. would intervene in a dispute between Iraq and Kuwait. He was informed that the U.S. had no interest in getting involved. Hussein, being an idiot as well as a U.S. ally at the time proceeded to invade Kuwait.

So what? Not a war crime.

Nearly all of the Iraqi soldiers sent to fight the Western coalition forces were unwilling conscripts. These people were nearly annihilated, but Bush and his cronies left the Republican Guard (Iraq's elite military unit) untouched. (The Republican Guard continued to terrorize Iraquis until Bush Sr's retarded spawn decided to try to top his daddy in the atrocity department).

So what? Not a war crime. It was a wise move too in hindsight. Weaken Saddam enough to cripple him from invading neighbors, but strong enough to control the crazy Shiites and Sunnis, and keep Iran at bay.

As the war was drawing to an end, Bush Sr. hinted to the Kurds and other dissident groups that they could count on support from the U.S. if they revolted against the Hussein regime. These poor fools actually thought that the President of the United States was a man of honour and obligingly mounted a rebellion. They were slaughtered by the thousands, and not so much as a band-aid materialized from the White House.

Not a war crime, but a bad move IMO.

Anyone of even average intelligence agrees the the invasion and complete destruction of Iraq under the pretext of destroying Hussein's non-existent weapons of mass destruction was a war crime. FAR more than 100,000 unarmed Iraqi civilians have died to date as a result of this atrocity, not to mention the complete destruction of that nation's infra-structure, and the loss of their entire cultural heritage.

Not a war crime. The UN agreed that he had WMD's and set the mandate. And HE DID in fact have WMD's left over from his Halabja campaign against the Kurds. Those are now in the hands of ISIS crazies. They may be inert now, but would you take chances being around that sh#t?

Many U.S. troops also died and were maimed during the above conflict, and I doubt that a single one of these people who served their nation so faithfully appreciated the fact that they were getting paid peanuts compared to the mercenaries from Haliburton - one of Cheney's (or was it Rumsfeld's?)stock holdings.

Not a war crime. It was Cheney, but I'd be surprised if Rummy didn't have stock as well.

Go see a psychiatrist before you do something criminally stupid, bluering. If you offered a cash reward for the discovery of every single communist I could locate at present, I'd have to tell you that I haven't spoken to a supporter of that ideology since 1969.

What the hell does criminally stupid mean? Did I commit a crime?

Also have you ever heard of the CPUSA? http://cpusa.org/
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 15, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
Spoken like a true believer

No, spoken like someone who's read something besides The Blue Book.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 15, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
bluering - You have my vote for the prince of mouth breathers. Have you EVER lost a loved one in a war, or to some other unprovoked violent crime? I didn't think so. There's an emotion that members of the human race experience when terrible things happen to those that they love: it's called grief, and there's no cure for it. Even Arabs are capable of experiencing this emotion.

Assuming that you think that you're a Christian, I should inform you that the first commandment in the bible goes "thou shall not kill". I assume that GOD put it at the top of the list to remind even smirking ninnies like you that we only come through this way once, and that murdering people is just plain wrong.

Your contemptible attempts to pretend that you actually understand what constitutes a war crime would be laughable if mass murder was funny, but it appears as though it is beyond your mental capacity to be persuaded otherwise. Nevertheless, I'll try to respond to one of your "points". Those WMDs were deactivated after Desert Storm, but for the sake of argument, let's give you that one. Now answer one for me: where do you think they got the chemicals to manufacture these WMDs in the first place? I should warn you, though, that this is a trick question.

Sadaam was a U.S. ally, which was also why he got away with blasting a U.S. destroyer before Desert Storm. It also explains why he got away with using poison gas against the Kurds and other Iraqi dissident groups - not to mention the Iranians. Also, the Bin Ladens were (and for all I know still are) close personal friends of the Bush gang and their corrupt, murderous accomplices. I should remind you that the only civilian aircraft flying immediately after 9/11 contained Bin Ladens on their way back to Saudi Arabia.

It is obvious that you have never fought in a war, nor have you even the slightest concern for the thousands of your own countrymen who fought for the United States and had their entire lives shattered by the horrors that they witnessed - and all for nothing, unless your name happened to be Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. Those guys made a FORTUNE out of the slaughter of Iraqi innocents. Also, Haliburton's mercenaries were paid far more than U.S troops, and were accountable to no one but the CEOs of Haliburton.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 15, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
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