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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 16, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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Obama .. is to the right of raygun..
fact
Obama
provides FAR less welfare
Harder on immigration
More fiscally responsible
Raised taxes less
deregulated firearms (national parks)
increased oil drilling
attacked more nations
killed more bad guys
In office when Khadafi apprehended and killed (some righties blame Obama for the arab spring)
cracked down on crime and the border more
shielded more corporations
done nothing for unions
increased corporate profits under his admin
brought America out of a FAR larger recession
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 16, 2014 - 11:11am PT
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The White Daddies are still reacting to the multi-generational trauma initiated by the huge social changes that took place between 1964 and about 1975. When the Millennials take over, all that stuff is going to disappear. When the Boomers are safely locked away in old folks' homes (or living on the streets in boxes), all their anxieties and phobias are going to die with them. Death takes care of a lot of things including the fact that the American standard of living is going to be a lot lower for the majority of people no matter what kind of rhetoric they use or political fads they follow.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 05:31pm PT
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Oh my. LOL.
There's not one communist in the Unitedstatian establishment. They're so utterly far from the ideas of communism it's a laughable thought. To accuse your president (I assume you mean him, even if you show no respect for the office) of being a communist rather shows nothing but ignorance of the ideology.
On the other hand, I gather "commie" has nothing to do with the original concept. It's a common mongering word, like "moron" or "dipshit" or "jerk". An expression for "I-don't-like-you-or-your-politics".
Don't be naive. There are gradations of Socialism that range from Scandanavian-style, to Venezuelan-style, to old USSR/Cuba-style, to National Socialist-style (Nazi), to North Korean and Maoist styles.
It usually starts in a rather feel-good, mundane manner. "For the greater good of the people". But people that tell you that are usually full of sh#t and just seeking to reign in more power. They do it by promising hand-outs, gov't taking care of you. It sucks the independent spirit from the soul of the individual. It makes you reliant on the State.
Too many of the groups I laid out do not overtly claim to be commies (like Communist Party USA). What they do is they couch themselves in rhetoric, like Progressives. And we do have one declared Socialist in the US gov't, Bernie Sanders.
These people know that communism in the US is a taboo word, for good reason. It's anathema to the United States. So what they do is subscribe to Socialist/Communist ideology in they rhetoric and actions, but avoid those labels.
It's quite disingenuous. You have to judge people by their declarations and actions, not their declared political party.
Once you look at the declared motives in the Venona Papers, the Commie Manifesto, and other documents, you see that we do have a current problem with people/groups that are aiming for the same goals declared therein.
In my book, that makes them commies.
Obama .. is to the right of raygun..
fact
Obama
provides FAR less welfare
Harder on immigration
More fiscally responsible
Raised taxes less
deregulated firearms (national parks)
increased oil drilling
attacked more nations
killed more bad guys
In office when Khadafi apprehended and killed (some righties blame Obama for the arab spring)
cracked down on crime and the border more
shielded more corporations
done nothing for unions
increased corporate profits under his admin
brought America out of a FAR larger recession
This is just uninformed bullsh#t....or intentional lies.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jul 16, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
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This is just uninformed bullsh#t....or intentional lies.
Says the guy who also said:
These people need dictators to keep the animals in their cages, so to speak. Just look at Egypt, Libya, Syria, and now Iraq...again. Without a forceful 'ruler', they animals go crazy and even start killing each other. In very savage manners.
It's interesting that you are informed enough about an entire nations citizens that you can confidently classify them all as animals. Just wow.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
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It's interesting that you are informed enough about an entire nations citizens that you can confidently classify them all as animals. Just wow.
How would you classify AQIM (Al Qaeda in the Mahgreb) in North Africa, Al Nusra Front in Libya/Syria, ISIS (or IS now) in Syria/Iraq, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt?
These countries had much more reasonable control of things before we intervened and removed strong-handed leaders.
The groups are blood-thirsty animals that were controlled until we stepped in. We, essentially, destabilized reasonably stable countries.
As a result there are animals running free killing those they disagree with. Innocents.
Just wow! Whatever the f*#k that means. Is that supposed to add legitimacy to your point?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 16, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
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This is just uninformed bullsh#t....or intentional lies.
All true bud.. and basically common knowledge for that matter.
please show me how each of those points is incorrect?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 16, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
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But people that tell you that are usually full of sh#t and just seeking to reign in more power. They do it by promising hand-outs, gov't taking care of you. It sucks the independent spirit from the soul of the individual. It makes you reliant on the State.
Your world is upside down. Everything you know is wrong.
Forget the propaganda you've been fed all your life. This is what it's all about. In a nutshell. Think about, and tell me what you think.
We want a system in which the worker shall get what he produces and the capitalist shall produce what he gets. -- Eugen Debs
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 16, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 16, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 16, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
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We want a system in which the worker shall get what he produces and the capitalist shall produce what he gets.
So the worker gets 20 hats that he made instead of $15.00/hr. I'll take the cash.
The capitalist is the one PAYING the worker after the capitalist STARTED THE F*#KING COMPANY AND EMPLOYED ALL THE WORKERS. The workers share in the profits of selling the goods, and the capitalist also gets profit to pay off his debt and maybe start another factory. It's not complicated, commie!
Everyone wins too. Including the people the capitalist is buying raw material from.
Obama
provides FAR less welfare
Harder on immigration
More fiscally responsible
Raised taxes less
deregulated firearms (national parks)
increased oil drilling
attacked more nations
killed more bad guys
In office when Khadafi apprehended and killed (some righties blame Obama for the arab spring)
cracked down on crime and the border more
shielded more corporations
done nothing for unions
increased corporate profits under his admin
brought America out of a FAR larger recession
~ Far less warfare? Obama started conflicts in Libya, and encouraged the overthrow of Mubarak (succeeded) and Assad (still ongoing bloodshed). He also continued Bush's drone program, actually enhancing the frequency in Pak and Yemen (but I'll give him kudos for that).
~Harder on immigration? These numbers are false, I know which ones you're trying to cite. The BP classifies as people caught at the border as 'turn-arounds', not deportations. Obama is pushing this number into the deportation category. Look it up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/
~More fiscally responsible? DO I really need to cite this one out, do you really believe this sh#t with our current growing deficit?
~ Raised taxes less? Did Reagan 'raise taxes'? Obama wanted to raise them and he did on top earners, and otehrs; http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-obama-tax-increases-a6694
~ Deregulated firearms? No, he is pushing for many new regs on firearms, he just keeps getting stopped.
~ Increased oil drilling? Not really. Why are gas prices up? Why not approve Keystone? Also, oil means nothing w/o refineries.
~ Attacked more nations? Yeah, you're good on this one. But he f*#ks up the op when he does it. Screws up everything.
~ Khaddafi killed? That was not a win, brah. That was a fail. We could have killed him years ago. He was a useful asset that we killed.
~ Cracked down on border crime? Fast and Furious. 'Nuff said...
~ Shielded more Corps.? The ones he liked, that contribute to him. But all as#@&%e politicians do that, so I'll give you that.
~ Does nothing to Unions? Gave them an exemption from Obamacare.
~ Increased Corp. profits? Ugh, that's the market, not Obama.
~ Brought the US from a far bigger recession? He's delaying the impact by printing money and keeping interest rates unusually low, delaying inflation.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 16, 2014 - 08:34pm PT
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The capitalist is the one PAYING the worker after the capitalist STARTED THE F*#KING COMPANY AND EMPLOYED ALL THE WORKERS. The workers share in the profits of selling the goods, and the capitalist also gets profit to pay off his debt and maybe start another factory. It's not complicated, commie!
Do you think people are entitled to more wealth than they create?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 16, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
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Fidel Castro leaving a wreath at the Lincoln Monument in 1969.
Bluering! You truly do look at the world from a paranoid & right-wing biased viewpoint.
It’s really true.
Ronald Reagan could not make it as a Republican presidential candidate these days, and Obama’s political points are mostly more conservative than Reagan’s were.
You are a slave to the stuff you watch, read, or hear from the right-wing media, that want to keep you a working-class, right-wing slave.
A while back, I asked you if your glass was mostly-full, or mostly empty?
You never answered, but in my America, my glass is mostly-full, and only your beliefs and attitude are keeping your glass mostly-empty.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 16, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
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far less WELFARE.. welfare as it was known in rayguns time ended under clinton and is in no way close to rayguns levels under Obama
Raygun provided complete amnesty for over 3 million illegal immigrants and then continued to fail at securing the border
raygun raised taxes 11 times
Obama has only deregulated firearms.. what obama says and what he does are two very different things.
I could go on but im very bored with this already
I'm no fan of Obama , but it's because like all recent and all foreseable future presidents he is a corporate shill.. they have to be or they cannot become elected.
Wealthy interests control who becomes president .. not voters... we don't even get to vote till they choose two (more like 6 to 10) candidates fully acceptable to them via campaign donations
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
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Do you think people are entitled to more wealth than they create?
Loaded question. If their COrp. that they created creates more wealth due to their genius ideas, then yeah. See Apple.
Raygun provided complete amnesty for over 3 million illegal immigrants and then continued to fail at securing the border
Do you do any research? Reagan was promised border security if he passed the bill, and Congress f*#ked hin on that.
That's why Repubs are reluctant to do do it again. Border enforcement FIRST this time.[quote}
A while back, I asked you if your glass was mostly-full, or mostly empty?
You never answered, but in my America, my glass is mostly-full, and only your beliefs and attitude are keeping your glass mostly-empty.
Aside from the bullshit housing bailouts, I'm half-full. I just can't afford a house because homeowners were bailed out instead of being allowed to default. This created an unrealistic house inflation and I still am shut out of an over priced market that should have crashed.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 16, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
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I still am shut out of an over priced market that should have crashed.
What planet are you from?
It crashed and destroyed prices by half or better.. prices are only just recently recovering.
Edit
http://www.zillow.com/santa-clara-ca/home-values/
OK nevermind you live in Santa Clara .. prices there only crashed about 20% and are currently higher than the prices before the crash. 800k average price.. Clearly Communism is taking over eh?
Guess my Nevada perspective is a bit skewed on this one.. but yours is too.. neither market is very representative of the national situation.
Hmm 800k average price would indicate a need to make about 300k a year to afford it. Yet they are selling pretty well.. yep.. the communists clearly have won.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jul 16, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
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who sold them those mortgages and who got bailed out even more?.. what president allowed and did that..
give you a clue.. starts with a B...as in the type of pure capitalist business involved and the presidents last name.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 16, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
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bluering: Let's review.
-You approve of the mass murder of innocents by U.S. war criminals like the Bushes and their odious accomplices.
-You post pictures of the execution of (I assume) Chinese citizens. Without comment. Is Obama responsible for making China the largest trading partner of the U.S.? Regardless, are you attempting to organize a boycott of all products imported to the U.S. from China because you are so upset about this? Are your fascist buddies all on board with such a plan?
-The comments you keep spouting are like the crap sounds that come from terminally scratched vinyl records. Give us some credible facts from reputable sources. So far, you have proven beyond all doubt that you are the worst kind of idiot, namely one who believes their own evil bullsh#t.
-The few criticisms that you deign to respond to are casually dismissed by you as if you actually had a deep understanding of international law - which you don't.
-You continue to insinuate that that you have a profound insight of how progressive human beings are sucked into the "communist conspiracy". I provided you with a lengthy explanation of how it is in reality - based on my (adult) lifetime involvement in progressive causes. I speak with considerable authority when I repeat that this is RIDICULOUS.(To spare those who have better things to do with their time than track down my previous posts, I shall repeat the three main points I made earlier):
1)There is a lengthy historical record of commies making a point of liquidating their erstwhile allies the instant they got control of the reigns of power. This FACT has not gone unnoticed by those who hold progressive beliefsUnderlined.
2)There are several different communist factions i.e. Trotskyists, Maoists,
Marxists, Marxist-Leninists and so on. They HATE each other - as nearly as I figure out because they "know" that their ideological opponents aren't real communists.
3)I have not even met a confessed communist since 1969, and I have NEVER had an admitted communist attempt to recruit me - except for an occasional clearly mentally ill human being who couldn't organize a decent party in a free beer factory.
-Far better people than you have fought and died to protect the freedoms we enjoy today. You dishonour their sacrifice by passing off fascist propaganda as fact.
-That was a pretty funny picture you posted claiming that Obama has, amongst other things confiscated your precious guns. I laughed so hard I almost cried at that one. Perhaps us Canadians are such gifted hunters that we can take down game with no more than five shots or, for that matter, protect our loved ones. Then, again, it's kind of hard for even the most twisted Canuck to re-enact the Sandy Hook massacre. There's a good chance that he'd get stopped before he had time to reload.
Oh, yeah - thanks for straightening me out on the First Commandment. Apparently it means that you shouldn't murder people. I guess that means that the 100,000++ Iraqi women and children killed during the course of the complete destruction of their nation under the leadership of the Bush dynasty actually died of gratitude. My mistake, Einstein.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2014 - 09:24pm PT
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It goes deeper than Bush. Do some f*#king research!!!!
It was Barnie Frank, Dodd, and Jimmy Carter with the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA).
It was Fannie/Freddie. It had very little to do with Bush in reality.
It also had to do with repealing Glass/Stiegal. (CLinton).
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