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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jul 19, 2014 - 08:21am PT
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I think this thread might be the most stupid thing on the internet.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 19, 2014 - 08:34am PT
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94 million deaths in the 20th century.
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/20th-century-death/
And that's not counting the ones from failed economic and agricultural policies that produced famine.
Add those in (47 million) and the total body count is a staggering 141 million deaths.
No other religion comes close even with a head start of a few millennia.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Jul 19, 2014 - 08:50am PT
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Randisi- That is very good advice. If people want to believe nonsense, so be it. It doesn't affect me unless I let it.
Arguing on the internet is a fools errand.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 19, 2014 - 09:34am PT
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Arguing on the internet is a fools errand.
Wait, I thought that's why it was invented?
Randisi, capitalism does have its shortcomings but it pales in comparison to
Stalin's forced collectivization and persecution of the kulaks which directly
eliminated up to 10 million.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 19, 2014 - 09:40am PT
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Perhaps that is putting too fine a point on it? ;-/
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 19, 2014 - 09:42am PT
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Reilly..Petra's at 6 tonite...? Beet salad...! rj
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 09:44am PT
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Well damn!
That website says it, so it must be true.
Does it show the ravages of capitalism over the past 250 years?
Anyway, I'm going to take my own advice and not argue with people who won't listen.
The ravages of capitalism...I wonder what that could do for Africa and Central America. People living in utter poverty and disease will not be lifted up by Socialism (like Zimbabwe, formerly productive Rhodesia) or Communism.
The issue on our southern border should be evidence that people hate corrupt socialist gov'ts. It's especially bad in 2nd 3rd world cultures. It turns to despotism.
Capitalism, despite what you think, is individualistic. It's not corporate. Sure, our country has gotten out of control to some degree, but it's nothing that can't be cured.
Our capitalist republic has been corrupted for other reasons, and one of them is greed at the expense of fairness. There are many reasons why. Many have to do with politicians and lobbyists f*#king us dry with no regard for the future health of our Republic.
So, I fell all your pain there, and I agree. But the answer is NOT to reverse direction towards socialism. The answer is to reel in the cheaters, the lobbyists, and the corruption.
The problem is that Congress (both sides for the most part) is in on the game. We need to elect real people who actually give a f*#k about the welfare of our Republic, and are not just in it for the money.
Some of them know this and they will lie to you until they're elected. They'll claim all sorts of bullshit about being humble, man of the people, or whatever...
Listen carefully to their rhetoric. And look at their pasts. Were they actually working people, or just gov't tools or academicians. These people have no clue how to get work done. Lawyers are the worst.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 19, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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Communism in theory is not about state control
Well if that is true then how would those who don't want to participate be
brought into the 'fold'? Gentle persuasion?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 19, 2014 - 09:57am PT
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Randisi, yer preaching to the chorus, so to speak. As a Russian Studies
major I am quite able to differentiate the theory from the practical. ;-)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:04am PT
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Communism is the exploitation of man, by man.
Capitalism is exactly the reverse.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 19, 2014 - 10:07am PT
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 11:19am PT
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Communism is the exploitation of man, by man.
Capitalism is exactly the reverse.
Sounds really cute and smart like some commie professor taught that to you.
Nobody in a capitalist society HAS to submit to exploitation. Quite the opposite actually. We take care of losers who refuse to work.
(Which we need to fix up a bit).
And since when is work, "exploitation"? I voluntarily choose my lifestyle and employment. Ever here of the old saying, "It's a free country"?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 19, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
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blueringworm, you twisted jackass - Fascism - Extreme right wing totalitarian system or VIEWS, as originally prevailing in Italy (1922-43). Source: The Oxford Dictionary of Current English.
Right: - political group or section favouring conservatism, conservatives collectively. See above for source.
These are known as FACTS: (definition: thing that is known to be true or to exist; truth, reality; thing assumed as basis for argument). See above for source.
Now do you see why I have suggested that you seek psychiatric care for your paranoia? (definition: mental disorder with delusions of grandeur, persecution, etc.; abnormal tendency to suspect and mistrust others). See above for source.
So how did you like my comments about Mein Kampf? How about your views on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
I can't thing of a single word that I have posted here that can't be verified from reputable sources. Are you accusing me of espousing extreme left wing opinions? Perhaps you could inform me as to which ones I have stated. I could use a laugh.
Gee whiz. I thought that most of what I've posted indicates that I don't subscribe to ANY views that could be termed extreme. I will, however admit that I have only contempt for the war criminals like the Bush family and their co-defendants.
I'll offer you something for free: If you agree that the United States should agree to respect the authority of the International Criminal Court, including other international human rights organizations (which the rest of the civilized world has already done), then I'll try to back off on the Bushes.
Dubya's particularly hard to let go of, though. When he wasn't snorting coke or bankrupting every business his father bought for him (including the United States), he was busy becoming possibly the only cringing coward in the history of the USAF. In case this FACT is over your head, almost EVERY fighter pilot was fighting tooth an nail to get a combat posting to Viet Nam. Dubya, however, was sitting around laughing at these guys and getting wasted back in the safety of the States.
TGT - what in hell is wrong with you? I don't think a single person has posted a single word on this thread that indicates admiration of the murder of innocents.
Since you didn't bother reading my comment about the (I assume) Chinese execution, here's two questions that I hope that you have the integrity to answer:
-Are you so concerned about the sanctity of human life that you are spending all your spare times attempting to ban capital punishment in the U.S., who rates near the top of the planet for legalized executions?
 Are you so distressed about Chinese human rights abuses that you and blueringworm are at this very moment lobbying Fox "news" to organize a boycott of all trade links with your nation's biggest trading partner? Oh - I forgot. The U.S. is so heavily indebted to China that the U.S. would be an instant third world country if those guys demanded immediate payment of those financial obligations.
blueringworm: nobody's perfect, but your typos are showing.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 19, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
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blueringworm: I would imagine that most intelligent linguists would agree that the language is called English for a reason, and Oxford is arguably the most prestigious university on planet Earth.
Ah ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh, yeah - are you and TGT so lost in your deluded super "patriot" frenzy that neither one of you can actually respond to my last posting? Factually.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 19, 2014 - 04:24pm PT
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Communism and Islam as religions suffer from the same delusion.
(There are just to damn many of those unbelievers in the way of achieving utopia/paradise)
in the end the true believers turn to murder no mater what their original intention was.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jul 19, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
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including christians, i.e. the crusades
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Jul 19, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
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If the Christians of today are responsible for the Crusades then the modern day Democrats are responsible for slavery.....
It's a bullshit argument and not worthy of discussion....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
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Do you people understand what the Crusades was a response to?
Look it up an we'll discuss. (it's starting all over again too, but not from our fruition. Like the Crusades...it's the Islamists).
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jul 19, 2014 - 06:04pm PT
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blueringworm: I guess when you and your lunatic clones haven't noticed is that not once have any of you presented a single argument that is supported by a respectable reference.
What I HAVE noticed is that when I presented a condensed version of Mein Kampf for those with weak stomachs or an inability to stomach the repetitive ravings of a psychotic (yet, horrifyingly enough, highly charismatic) imbecile, this piece of genetic garbage mentioned an alarmingly effective set of recommendations for turning an entire nation into mass murderers. As a matter of fact, he invented the big lie, which goes this way:
-Ignore factual criticism.
-Keep repeating the same lies until people begin to accept them as facts.
Worked like a hot damn & continues to do so today, hence the Tea Party. By the way, who allowed Fascists the uncontested right to refer to themselves as patriots?
Throughout this thread, there have been several of your opponents who have made no secret of their progressive leanings. NONE of them have indicated a mindless adherence to any flavour of Communist dogma.
I will REPEAT yet again: I have lost ancestors to Stalin's terror, and am an adherent to no "ism" whatsoever. Also, I, like anyone who lives to the left of your fascist fairyland, am perfectly aware that almost without exception when communists take control after a revolution, the first people to be liquidated are the progressives. What I'm trying to say here is that we out here on the left have every reason to be even more vigilant about communist plots than fascists like you and your buddies.
Then again, the next time you attempt to accuse anyone with a crumb of decency in their character of being a commie, I repeat that I'm astonished that when you claim that the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, and all the other intelligence agencies are on side with your delusional crap, I'm surprised that they haven't dragged your worthless ass down to Guantanamo Bay to find out why you alerted us horrible people to the "fact" that they're onto our historically spectacular plan to put freedom-loving rocket scientists like yourself into chains. I haven't the least doubt that letting the cat out of the bag like this qualifies you as a traitor to the United States of America.
So... based upon the repeated postings of TGT and yourself, when can we expect you steely-eyed patriots to organize a boycott of all trade with China, along with an end to the death penalty in the U.S.?
Come on, at least answer the above. You've already used it as a lame justification for whatever the hell you're trying to sell us. Be a man and show some integrity for once.
Integrity: (definition from the Oxford Dictionary of Current English) honesty; wholeness; soundness. (My words) - the last two citations refer to its use when referring to things like buildings, etc.
Another FACT for you, you toad.
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